2nd cycle?

[liftsports]

im trying to decide what i should take for my second cycle i want to start in december or january, i am 5'8 190lbs ive been intensely working out for the past 6yrs 4days a week and used my first cycle this summer of test, what do you think would be a good second cycle? and what is the recommended rest time between cycles?
thanks

o n this pic is pre first cycle pic i cant find the post one

[body_by_donuts]

Time on + PCT = the amount of time you should be off. What are your goals, do you want to cut, some lean mass or just going for pure size?

[hosam4ever]

their is alote of choices but all of them depends on ur goal

[liftsports]

im really sport oriented, rugby, football, baseball etc, n im a little bit undersized with my height so i figured id like to bulk up but a little cut in the process wouldnt be bad,

[PROTEINSHAKE]

whats your age & goals,b/f % etc....we can offer advice when we know more about you & what ur goals are.

[liftsports]

i am 24 and my bench is about 285 squat around 450 clean around 250 n i weigh 190 right now when i was done with my first cycle i was 200, i want to be about 200-215 bench about 350 squat over 500 and clean 300, those are base weights i want to be at if i can get more i will

[PROTEINSHAKE]

If that is you in your avvy..its very hard to tell exactly,but it seems as if your b/f is kindas high(not flaming you) to do a cycle at this point.I would get your diet in check first man, then do a nice lean bulker.

[liftsports]

ya i kno it was that pic was from beginning of june when i weighed 200lbs but then i dropped down to 185 n got back up to 200 after my first cycle n now im back down to 190

[PROTEINSHAKE]

good job on the weight loss...I would say that your b/f % should be 14 or lower to effectively use gear.....Obviously-the lower the better the results.

[liftsports]

alright well i should be at about 18-20 right now i wasnt planning on starting until around christmas so i can get there by then, im trying to figure out what to take now b/c i have to get it soon or i wont be able to get it for a while

[PROTEINSHAKE]

yea man..plan it all out now & get your stuff lined up.DONT START until ALL your stuff is in hand(PCT also). get serious on the diet & then get goin.

[Bigmax]

What was your first cycle bro???..what were your goals on that cycle and what were the results??

[liftsports]

test e 350 week 10weeks i knew that test was the way to go for the first cycle and that for the first cycle there wasnt as much of a gain expecially with just using test so i already was dieting pretty well so i continued that and just kept hitting the weights and running at first then the weight started to go up n b4 i knew it i was back up to around 200lbs after the last week, my bench went up about 25lbs n my squat went up about 30-40

[Bigmax]

Then you did pretty good bro..why dont you try testE at 500mg's a week for 10 weeks and kick start it with prop for the first 4 weeks...you should very well there....But what are your goals before I say anything else.

[liftsports]

what do u guys suggest for my next cycle? ive been checking into it and it seems ive been finding somewhat the same thing but slightly different ammounts each time 1-4 d-bol 30 mg ed 1-10 deca 200 ew 1-12 test e 300 ew n i dont kno if that is to much for me being only my second? u think you could give me some ideas?

[Bigmax]

I just gave you one bro...you can kick start with the dbol for 4 weeks aswell..while you do 500mgs of TestE a week for ten weeks.For a kick start dbol or prop will be fine..

[liftsports]

my bad man i didnt see that i must have been typing when u posted
thanks man

[liftsports]

i want to be about 200-215 bench about 350 squat over 500 and clean 300, those are base weights i want to be at if i can get more i will

[Bigmax]

The sample cycle i proposed would be ideal bro...make sure your nutrition is on the money...what are you weighing now???

[PROTEINSHAKE]

other than strength....you havent said your goals.

[liftsports]

im weighin about 190 right now that pic is from beginning of summer pre cycle, a couple my buddies im going in on it with r saying that deca is where its at cuz it last longer n stuff n that the test wont hold as well

[liftsports]

i wanna look bigger if thats what u mean id rather go bigger then more cut and id like least side and last long im planning on doing another one depending on how this one turns out

[PROTEINSHAKE]

some LOVE deca ....it is a good compound but I stay away..test is king.

[PROTEINSHAKE]

goals....size only? size/leaner? just leaner? ya know, what do want from a cycle...

[liftsports]

i want def more size then lean but id like to be somewhat leaner also

[PROTEINSHAKE]

so....big max gave you a good idea then....test & kick start w prop or dbol for 4 weeks. depending on how long you wanted to run the cycle you could swtich back to prop & add winny for the last 4-5 weeks of the cycle to help lean you out...YOUR DIET IS KEY!!!

[liftsports]

so....big max gave you a good idea then....test & kick start w prop or dbol for 4 weeks. depending on how long you wanted to run the cycle you could swtich back to prop & add winny for the last 4-5 weeks of the cycle to help lean you out...YOUR DIET IS KEY!!!

when you suggest to go back to prob and add winny for the last 4-5 weeks u mean on top of the testE right? n i know it takes a strict diet

[liftsports]

my buddy wants to kno if u started with a cycle of deca 100wk 1-4 then bumped to deca 200wk 5-10 should he stick to deca and relplace the test for his second unlike the cycle that was suggested to me?

[SMAN12b]

my buddy wants to kno if u started with a cycle of deca 100wk 1-4 then bumped to deca 200wk 5-10 should he stick to deca and relplace the test for his second unlike the cycle that was suggested to me?

Deca alone is never a good idea as it is VERY supressive to the HPTA. However 100mgs/week is less than suggested just for joint supoort. The dose should be 400-600 minimum for bulking BUT he should include at least a little bit of test in there to avoid Deca Dick if he has any concerns down below. But NO need to pyrimid doses, best to get and keep blood levels stable throughout the cycle

[SMAN12b]

The Test E at 500/week for 10-12 weeks with a kickstart of you choice for the first 4 as suggested by Bigmax would be the way to go here.

Just make sure you have ALL PCT compounds on hand before you start the cycle

[PROTEINSHAKE]

Just make sure you have ALL PCT compounds on hand before you start the cycle

I already said that you repeating bastard

get the deca out of your head for now bro..IMO.

[SMAN12b]

I already said that you repeating bastard

get the deca out of your head for now bro..IMO.

Sorry, getnjakked, I can't read your posts cause I can't see past your AVY.....lolol

[PROTEINSHAKE]

Sorry, getnjakked, I can't read your posts cause I can't see past your AVY.....lolol

oh yea...yours are AS bad or worse for my concentration

[Bigmax]

[QUOTE=getnjakked]I already said that you repeating bastard
LMAO...

[liftsports]

alright thanks n did u mean take the winny n the prob ontop of the test?
n how much winny n prop should i take for the last 4-5weeks?

[SMAN12b]

alright thanks n did u mean take the winny n the prob ontop of the test?
n how much winny n prop should i take for the last 4-5weeks?

winny should be the last 4-6 weeks of your cycle. Test E should be stopped at least 2 weeks before the winny so that PCT times will match up. That being said, the normal dose for winny is 50-100mgs ED, Prop you can run at 75 ED or 150 EOD but ED is better. Winny should be taken TWICE a day due to the short halflife Prop should stop 3 days before winny and PCT shoudl start day after last winny dose.

Hope that helps

[liftsports]

winny should be the last 4-6 weeks of your cycle. Test E should be stopped at least 2 weeks before the winny so that PCT times will match up. That being said, the normal dose for winny is 50-100mgs ED, Prop you can run at 75 ED or 150 EOD but ED is better. Winny should be taken TWICE a day due to the short halflife Prop should stop 3 days before winny and PCT shoudl start day after last winny dose.

Hope that helps

what is recomended for my PCT with this cycle?
n sorry if u already answered my comp is starting to act up the net is slowing

[liftsports]

hahaha he laughed when u said deca dick hes like mabe thats y it was so hard to get off for a while haha hes a bid dumb ass, thanks alot

[liftsports]

that helps alot!!! lol just one more Q what do u recomend for the PCT?

[liftsports]

lol ur avys r fn distracting!!!