Winny tabs

**squatking_08** · 12-03-2006, 03:04 PM

ok i have read about the tabs not being near as effective as the injectables. so are the results good enough to even use them.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 12-03-2006, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by squatking_08

ok i have read about the tabs not being near as effective as the injectables. so are the results good enough to even use them.

Just take more to make u p for the gap.

**guest589745** · 12-03-2006, 03:29 PM

Where the hell did you hear this?

There is advantages to both.

orals lower SHBG more efficiantly but are more liver toxic than injections, injections result in more nitrogen retention but you have to inject 1-2x ED.

**Swifto** · 12-03-2006, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Where the hell did you hear this?

There is advantages to both.

orals lower SHBG more efficiantly but are more liver toxic than injections, injections result in more nitrogen retention but you have to inject 1-2x ED.

Where did you hear tabs are more liver toxic than injections?

**guest589745** · 12-03-2006, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Where did you hear tabs are more liver toxic than injections?

They go through both first and second passes whereas the injections only go through the second, resulting in a higher amount of stress to the liver....?

That was the conclusion I came to.

wait, I just read hookers article on it and I see why you questioned my statement. I beleive I may be in the wrong, apologies if I am. I will read more thoroughly........I feel shamed.........

**guest589745** · 12-03-2006, 04:01 PM

Apparently the injections go through one and the orals both.

**guest589745** · 12-03-2006, 04:01 PM

Unfortunately, since it is 17aa, it is also liver toxic, especially more so when you inject it and it is subject to what is known as the “first pass” through the liver. The difference between taking oral vs. injectable Winstrol , even though it’s technically the same drug, is how and when your body metabolizes it. When you consume a drug orally, that drug is absorbed from the Gastrointestinal tract, where it then passes via the portal vein into the liver -where some drugs are metabolised. This “first pass” can mean that only a certain portion of the drug reaches your body’s bloodstream. As previously discussed, a 17aa has been attached to Winstrol to allow a sizeable portion to survive this metabolism.

**guest589745** · 12-03-2006, 04:02 PM

I am still somewhat confused even after er reading it......

**guest589745** · 12-03-2006, 04:04 PM

So as you can see, when you take an oral steroid such as Winstrol, undergoes a first-pass metabolism in the both the intestines as well as liver. Some drugs can be absorbed more or less totally intact, after only moderate metabolic activity, while some are absorbed only after very extensive metabolic activity. Once it is through this first pass, a given drug then circulates in the blood until it is acquired by another tissue, such as skeletal muscle. Now, if the drug reaches the liver again, it may undergo what is cleverly known as “second-pass” metabolism. Of course, in the case of Winstrol , an injectable version is available, and when we compare the oral and injectable versions of Winstrol and their effects in your body, I think there’s some surprising differences. The injectable is (naturally) put right into your bloodstream and only undergoes the far less extensive second pass metabolism, while the oral must endure the gut and liver on it’s first pass before ending up in circulation.

**guest589745** · 12-03-2006, 04:06 PM

So what is more potentially damaging to the liver ?

**Swifto** · 12-03-2006, 04:09 PM

You got this from Meso and I pointed this out to Anthony when i saw it. It was an error.

Do a search on it. There was a thread by me about it.

We concluded that its the same toxicity when administering it orally to injecting it. If 50mg is taken orally and 50mg is injected there both the same toxicity.

I'll try find the thread.