Pain In My Elbows

[madmax1974]

Hey guys i am feeling some kind of pain or soreness in my elbows especially when i extend them all the way, without even working out, do you think it has something to do with my last cycle, which was of sus 250, 500 mg a week and decca 100 mg a week. and what do you recomend to make it better, i have tried aleve and other general pain killers.

[shrpskn]

Oh Lord, I'm with you brother...I suffer from chronic tendonitis in my elbows and it didn't start to come about until I started juicing about 3 years ago...as my strength went up and the more I was pushing...pretty much after I went beyond 300 on the bench, my elbows have raised hell with me since.

The only relief I've been able to find since is a cortisone injection in each elbow every 9 months or so. Unfortunately the injections are only a masking agent and real damage is possibly occurring as I've gone over the 400 mark on the bench...I'll take the injections as long as I can, then it's the knife, which I assume is really going to put a damper on my lifting...but you only live once, so what the hell.

Besides, my ortho doc says I'm far from need of surgery, so I hope I have a solid 10 years of lifting left in me before the tendons may require some surgery.

Good luck,

-ShrpSkn

[madmax1974]

Oh Lord, I'm with you brother...I suffer from chronic tendonitis in my elbows and it didn't start to come about until I started juicing about 3 years ago...as my strength went up and the more I was pushing...pretty much after I went beyond 300 on the bench, my elbows have raised hell with me since.

The only relief I've been able to find since is a cortisone injection in each elbow every 9 months or so. Unfortunately the injections are only a masking agent and real damage is possibly occurring as I've gone over the 400 mark on the bench...I'll take the injections as long as I can, then it's the knife, which I assume is really going to put a damper on my lifting...but you only live once, so what the hell.

Besides, my ortho doc says I'm far from need of surgery, so I hope I have a solid 10 years of lifting left in me before the tendons may require some surgery.

Good luck,

-ShrpSkn

thanks for the input, well i am not lifting as much as you are but i am at 250 and thats when i started feeling it, so i guess that as i imrove so should the pain. hugh

[shrpskn]

Well, I'm not certain that your case is the same as mine...I would see an ortho doc and have them make an evaluation on your elbow...that's your best bet...
I just know my case is chronic tendonitis and the heavier I've lifted the worse it got until no pain reliever worked, then it was the cortisone injections...feels like I have a brand new elbow after I walk out of the ortho's office...the only thing that sucks is the doc tells me I can't lift for at least a week or two after the injection...thankfully the tendonitis only comes back about every 9 months or so...then I'm back in for another scan of my elbow to check for damage that may require surgery and another shot of cortisone.

-ShrpSkn

[madmax1974]

Well, I'm not certain that your case is the same as mine...I would see an ortho doc and have them make an evaluation on your elbow...that's your best bet...
I just know my case is chronic tendonitis and the heavier I've lifted the worse it got until no pain reliever worked, then it was the cortisone injections...feels like I have a brand new elbow after I walk out of the ortho's office...the only thing that sucks is the doc tells me I can't lift for at least a week or two after the injection...thankfully the tendonitis only comes back about every 9 months or so...then I'm back in for another scan of my elbow to check for damage that may require surgery and another shot of cortisone.

-ShrpSkn

damn, sorry to hear that, i guess that i will go and get my elbows checked out also cause i never had this problem until like you said after the juice. the sad thing is that i had just really gotten into it hard and serious.

[shrpskn]

Well, if the ortho sees fit, you'll get a jab of cortisone in the elbow and within a week or so you'll be back at 100%...pain-free.

At least that's the case with me.

There is an injury and rehab forum on this board as well...this thread may have been better suited for that forum and I'm sure there is alot more to learn about your circumstances than jumping into a cortisone injection...
IMO, once you start with them injections, you'll always be back for another sooner or later...that's why I tried to put mine off as long as possible until no pain relievers helped.

Hopefully there's better options for yourself.

Good luck,

-ShrpSkn

[KAEW44]

Be careful guys, the cortisone injects like you said only mask the pain and if used over time are known to weaken tendons making them more prone to tears and injury.
The problem with juicing is that in exercises like bench and especially overhead tricep extensions your muscle will be able to do more than what your tendon can, and even when doing slow controllec movements you could cause small tears in the tricep tendon on the elbow side connection of it.

I had a small stretch-tear in my left tricep tendon doing overhead tricep extension with a very heavy weight iw as trying to max i was stupid and it took forever anf forever of time off + physcial therapy and ultrasound to get better and still the little scarring caused horrible pain whenever i placed my elbow on a table or something like an electric shock.

It only went away two years after when i started to train seriously again but this time being conservative and not bending my elbows more than 90 degrees in all tricep exercises, its not a full range of motion but it made things better.

[Mista Massive]

really? 90 degrees. that's interesting.

is that because it hurts to go any further? or is it advised to prevent injury

since my back injury i play it safe and i wanna know the common injuries that can occur

[shrpskn]

Be careful guys, the cortisone injects like you said only mask the pain and if used over time are known to weaken tendons making them more prone to tears and injury.

You are precisely correct in this statement...that is why my elbows are scanned every time I go to the ortho for another injection...he is aware of my AAS use and my BB endeavors...he cautions that I exercise extreme caution when lifting and to keep things very controlled and to also do some good warm up stretching and what not before I lift...all of which should be common sense anyway...

I'm just fearful that as my strength grows and I lift higher amounts of weights, that one day I'm going to blow a tendon...then I will really be fvcked!!!

Nowadays I will not go for a max rep on the bench anymore just for this very reason...I just don't want to take that chance...kind of sucks though...I once aspired to hit the 500 mark on the bench, but with the condition of my elbows, I doubt I'll ever see it with out risking a large-scale injury to my tendons in my elbows.
Besides, I've become satisfied enough with my current strength as it is...no need for me to go any higher really, unless I was doing some competition lifting, which I am not.

-ShrpSkn

[magic32]

damn, sorry to hear that, i guess that i will go and get my elbows checked out also cause i never had this problem until like you said after the juice. the sad thing is that i had just really gotten into it hard and serious.

Is this your first cycle?
If so, be sure to change compounds and brands afterwards.

As for the present pain, try a stronger med if desired, but also omit elbow stressing exercises such as Preacher Curls, Overhead Tricep Raises, etc.

Best to you,

M.

[Streaker]

Skull crushers always kill my elbows. When I do them I have to keep it light and controlled.

[RobbieG]

Surgery + HGH

[madmax1974]

Is this your first cycle?
If so, be sure to change compounds and brands afterwards.

As for the present pain, try a stronger med if desired, but also omit elbow stressing exercises such as Preacher Curls, Overhead Tricep Raises, etc.

Best to you,

M.

this is my third cycle that i am going to start, what axactly do you mean by change compounds and brands? Oh and when i work out i do a full body work out, bench, curls, overhead triceps, squats etc.

[Superhuman]

i'm with u guys! my elbows have been so bad this week that i had to cut 2 workouts short after 20 min. today was back/bis and i couldn't curl a 45lbs dumbell without EXCRUTIATING pain.

[madmax1974]

[QUOTE=Superhuman]i'm with u guys! my elbows have been so bad this week that i had to cut 2 workouts short after 20 min. today was back/bis and i couldn't curl a 45lbs dumbell without EXCRUTIATING pain.[/QUOTEDo you think that during time the pain will go away, i mean if i stop juicing and working out for a long while,

[KAEW44]

really? 90 degrees. that's interesting.

is that because it hurts to go any further? or is it advised to prevent injury

since my back injury i play it safe and i wanna know the common injuries that can occur

When i had my small tear/stretch it really gave me hell the pain was terrible the physical therapist felt sorry for me, he basically told me the difference between 'supported' and 'non-supported' exercises and told me to only do supported exercises to stay safe.

For triceps it was:

Supported:
-Regular and inclined/declined push ups of all sorts as long as your chest only goes down as far as your hands (so no dipping push-up or on bricks where you go deeper than your hands)
-Cable tricep pushdown with bar or rope, keeping arms on your sides and only extending from 90 degrees to 180 degrees (fully straight arms).
-Very Light weight scull crushers PROVIDED you are lying on the bench not sitting or standing.
-Bench press all types even with dumbells as long as your elbows dont go below your chest when you are coming down to ensure your elbows dont bend more than 90 degrees.

Unsupported which risks tearing and stretching especially when using heavier weights:
-Overhead tricep extension
-Standing or sitting scull-crushers
-Weighted dips
-Push ups where you place your hands on bricks or blocks or chairs so that your body dips deeper than your hands.


There are ofcourse many more exercises i dont know all of them and ofcourse harcore bodybuilders always argue against this but my point isnt that all people should be safe and do supported exercises, i am just saying if you start getting tendonitis or your triceps are weak or youve had any problems or if you just want to be extra safe then do only the supported exercises.
If you are having no troubles and you have to challenge your triceps more then go ahead and carefully approach the unsupported exercises.

The same goes with Leg exercises, if you have had knee problems especially pattelae related because of tracking then you need to strengthen your knee but its hard to do that without making it worse with the current leg exercises! So a safer approach would be:

Safe:
-Leg extension but do not extand the leg and make it lock straight, just lift it up 2/3 of the way and then bring it back to starting position.
-Squat, use the smith machine dont do it with a free-bar, and only go down till before your knees are bent 90 degrees then back up again. Dont squat deep.
-Leg press, same as squat only bend halfway and then press back up
-Lunges, use lighter dumbells and make sure your front knee doesnt pass your toes, so dont lean foreward with your knee.

Past ankle/Achilles problems:
Safe:
-Calf raises whil just standing and holding dumbells and lift up from the ground. Dont stand on a block or edge, dont make your body dip below your feet.

These are all safer exercises for when you have had a problem and you want to strengthen these parts without doing further damage.
However if you are fit and dont have these injuries then go about the regular exercises.

[fossilfuel7]

Hgh.

[beachbum28]

Could be your a**uctors... I have that in my left elbow and it sucks, but heat pad everynight for a week and it's gone until I hammer it too hard again.

[beachbum28]

Did I say a bad word there... A b d u c t er...wtf.. it gave me stars???

[Selene]

Hey guys i am feeling some kind of pain or soreness in my elbows especially when i extend them all the way, without even working out, do you think it has something to do with my last cycle, which was of sus 250, 500 mg a week and decca 100 mg a week. and what do you recomend to make it better, i have tried aleve and other general pain killers.

you could have tendonitits, ice elbows every day 2-3 x day it will help a great deal

[Gearhead007]

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[madmax1974]

guys do you think that if i stop working out and quit the juice for a while it will get better? If so for how long cause i am going on 3 months without lifting and no juice and i still feel the pain

[rhed]

I had the same thing couple of months ago. And did tons of research on it. It's "tennis elbow". I know, I know..We're not playing tennis here.. But if you research, it's totally the symtoms we're experiencing.
So like I said if you research it (like type it in a search engine). There are ways to reduce inflammatory. The first thing that was so common was "ice". Yep, I would ice it right after workout for about 10 mins directly where the pain radiates the most. And about 2-4 times again during the day. Me, I put the ice pack directly on my skin.. There are also stretches you can do everyday for 10 mins. I did mine for 10 mins before workout and still do. Took joint supplements including my fish oil. And wore tennis elbow straps.
Anyway it's been two months now since the pain has subsided. All that therapy I did on my elbow paid off. Now I'm back to lifting heavy ass weights. Oh yea, I think lifting heavy all the time attibuted to my tendonitis or tennis elbow..

[marsab73]

3 words for you guys....active release technique.....try www.activerelease.com for a doc near you...if your in orange co calif....dr ron higuera is by far the best in so cal....i had the same symptons....a few sessions with dr higuera and theyre all gone....knock on wood....good luck dude.....

[madmax1974]

rhed are you still doing the ice and warm ups you did to make the pain better now that you lift or did you stop cause your elbows got better?