Primobolan Question

[Random]

I would say run the var near the end...up until u start PCT while ur waiting for the enanthate to clear...

NPP 400 is a good start dose although u have ran deca before and NPP only yields 252mg of active hormone...hmmm..id up the deca to 500-600mg

CD

[moush]

u dont think the deca is too low right? because I was doing a little research and some mebers said to run the NPP at 600 mg... what do you think? I would prefer to run the cycle I have posted because of $$ and frequency of injects but i still would like to know so I can run it the best way possible...also what SERMS and AI's would you recommend? I was going to run Nolva @ 20mg right after the last shot and then 14 days after run Clomid for 3-4 weeks with the nolva. Should I run Aromasin or L-Dex also? I will also be running Trib, BCAA, L-Glut, Whey Protein and a very clean low carb low sodium diet with cardio.

[moush]

u dont think the deca is too low right? because I was doing a little research and some mebers said to run the NPP at 600 mg... what do you think? I would prefer to run the cycle I have posted because of $$ and frequency of injects but i still would like to know so I can run it the best way possible...also what SERMS and AI's would you recommend? I was going to run Nolva @ 20mg right after the last shot and then 14 days after run Clomid for 3-4 weeks with the nolva. Should I run Aromasin or L-Dex also? I will also be running Trib, BCAA, L-Glut, Whey Protein and a very clean low carb low sodium diet with cardio.

[Random]

Yea i would run it at 600mg since u have run deca before...ur call tho, personally i like arimidex and aromasin ,

for PCT i think HCG is a good kickstarter then a strong AI, and some nolva...

CD

[moush]

now do you mix the HCG with your injects? or how does it work thats the one thing i have never run before and thats because I am unsure of how to use it? Also do you have to mix the solution yourself?

You would run PCT like this?

HCG
followed by Aromasin and Arimidex ?

[Random]

No.

i would run HCG for 10 days or so, then use aromasin and nolva.....

i dont mix my HCG with injectables

[moush]

its intramuscular correct?

[Random]

Yes, u can do sub q but i do intra

[moush]

so heres what PCT would look like then..

HCG 500 i.u - day after last shot for 10 days
After HCG run-
Aromasin
Nolva 20mg ED

[Random]

Yea you can run aromasin and nolva treatment during HCG also..then drop the HCG and continue with aromasin and nolva

[moush]

ah ok i gotcha now...cool i really appreciate your help bro you've helped me out a lot and saved me a lot of trouble trying to gather all this info...

now let me ask you why do you choose to run the var at the end like winnie? and not in the beginning?

[Random]

DHT is supposed to help free up bound testosterone and once that happens you can continue to make gains on test, along with that, the var should help you lose BF near the end and it has a short half life so it can be run up to the day of PCT which will help in keeping gains....

CD

[moush]

I read up on your log on the Amazing Var Experience and I was wondering if the "gains" so to speak will be "similar"...I know everyone is different and has a different reaction and effect on everyone but will it do what its supposed to as well at the end?

[moush]

so heres what I was thinking after all this...

wk 1-13 Test E @ 750mg/wk
wk 1-12 NPP @ 600mg/wk
wk 7-15 Var @ 60mg ED
PCT -
HCG 500 iu ED for 10 days
Aromasin
Nolva 20mg ED
Tribulus 5-6g ED

These will be taken ED during and after cycle:
vit C 3-6g
BCAA
L-Glutamine
Creatine
Multi-vit
Glucosamine and Chondroitin
Calcium
ZMA
Whey Protein
Clean Diet

[Random]

read up on your log on the Amazing Var Experience and I was wondering if the "gains" so to speak will be "similar"...I know everyone is different and has a different reaction and effect on everyone but will it do what its supposed to as well at the end?

Yea man, var is great especially when used with other compounds....and yea the cycle looks good man, let me know how it goes!

CD

[RobbieG]

Someone is shitting money for sure.

Anavar + primo = $$$$$

But heck, If my powder source would carry primo cheaper I would probably import it

[moush]

im not running primo anymore...i decided to go with NPP

btw what kind of gains does one expect from NPP?? Is it the lean gains of regular deca ?

[spywizard]

heres what I am looking at running...please critique

wk 1-8 Var @ 60mg ED
wk 1-13 Test E @ 750 mg/wk
wk 1-12 NPP @ 400mg/wk

hows the dosing look for the NPP? is it too high or low? hows the length of NPP that im running look? too long?

most would run the var at the end.. reason is it will help you drop some water.. after 13 weeks of test e you will be holding some, dependant on your use, thus the reason to run it at the end..

another way to run would be

wk 1-4 dbol 50mg ed
wk 1-13 Test E @ 750 mg/wk
wk 1-12 NPP @ 400mg/wk
wk 6-12 60mg var ed

that would give you a fast start until the test e kicks in, and the var would help you stay or get leaner at the end..

good luck...

[vitor]

im not running primo anymore...i decided to go with NPP

btw what kind of gains does one expect from NPP?? Is it the lean gains of regular deca?

NPP and Deca is the exact same drug, Nadrolone. The only diffrence is the ester. Most people will hold water on deca.

[Booz]

me i would run the var the whole of the cycle...........thats just me tho.........

[moush]

you would run the var for 12 or 13 weeks?

hey spywizard... I ran deca as my 1st cycle at 400mg, do you think running NPP at 400 is worth it or sufficient? I am running the var at the end i posted a revised version of that cycle earlier here it is:

wk 1-13 Test E @ 750mg/wk
wk 1-12 NPP @ 600mg/wk
wk 7-15 Var @ 60mg ED
PCT -
HCG 500 iu ED for 10 days
Aromasin
Nolva 20mg ED
Tribulus 5-6g ED

These will be taken ED during and after cycle:
vit C 3-6g
BCAA
L-Glutamine
Creatine
Multi-vit
Glucosamine and Chondroitin
Calcium
ZMA
Whey Protein
Clean Diet

[moush]

yea I held a lot of water while on deca plus the test I dont know of thats what im going for since I have been cutting the past couple months and I am trying to stay as lean as I am or get leaner. The test is going to make me hold some water but with deca I am afraid of holding too much so i may end up changing the NPP for Tren E...im so glad i started this research when i did

[Swifto]

you would run the var for 12 or 13 weeks?

hey spywizard... I ran deca as my 1st cycle at 400mg, do you think running NPP at 400 is worth it or sufficient? I am running the var at the end i posted a revised version of that cycle earlier here it is:

wk 1-13 Test E @ 750mg/wk
wk 1-12 NPP @ 600mg/wk
wk 7-15 Var @ 60mg ED
PCT -
HCG 500 iu ED for 10 days
Aromasin
Nolva 20mg ED
Tribulus 5-6g ED

These will be taken ED during and after cycle:
vit C 3-6g
BCAA
L-Glutamine
Creatine
Multi-vit
Glucosamine and Chondroitin
Calcium
ZMA
Whey Protein
Clean Diet

If it were me..

I'd drop the Tribulas and add Proviron 50mg/ED for PCT.

And...Add Proviron 25mg/ED week 6-7 to reduce any buildup of SHBG.

12.5-25mg/ED for the Aromasin for PCT.

Run HCG 125-350ius 2-3 times a week whe running a 19-Nor.

Drop the NPP 3-4 weeks proir to the cycle ending. I've seen many stating dropping the 19-Nor 3-4 weeks (some more) before PCT starts and just run Test Enan, Test Enan/Var, or my choice Var alone for 4-5 weeks.

[moush]

Swifto - what do you mean by 19-Nor? which compound is that? Are you suggesting running HCG during the cycle as well as PCT?

wk 1-13 Test E 750mg/wk
wk 1-9 NPP 400-600mg/wk
wk 7-15 Var 60 mg ED
wk 6-7 Proviron 25 mg ED

[moush]

bump

[moush]

just found out my source can get NPP so this whole thing was pointless but i did learn a lot so thats pretty cool...on the other note i was thinking of running this...

wk 1-13 Test E 750mg/wk
wk 1-12 Tren E 600mg/wk
wk 5-15 Var 60mg ED
wk 6-7 Proviron 25mg ED

HCG 500 iu ED for 10 days
Aromasin
Nolva 20mg ED
Tribulus 5-6g ED

These will be taken ED during and after cycle:
vit C 3-6g
BCAA
L-Glutamine
Creatine
Multi-vit
Glucosamine and Chondroitin
Calcium
ZMA
Whey Protein
Clean Diet