Ultimate Oral Cycle?

**badER** · 12-26-2006, 04:32 PM

Im 20, 160lbs about 8% BF almost 5'7. Saying that im young wouldnt make a difference so please please dont! Instead advice me on my cycle.

week1 50mg Anadrol 20mg Nolvadex 0.5mg Adex
week2 50mg Anadrol 20mg Nolvadex 0.5mg Adex
week3 50mg Anadrol 20mg Nolvadex 0.5mg Adex
week4 30mg Stanozolol 20mg Nolvadex 0.5mg Adex
week5 30mg Stanozolol 20mg Nolvadex 0.5mg Adex
week6 30mg Stanozolol 20mg Nolvadex 0.5mg Adex

The Anadrol will be split into 2 seperate doses. AM and PM.
The Stanozolol will be split into 3 seperate doses. AM, Noon and PM.

PCT:

day1 60mg Nolvedex
day2-11 40mg Nolvdex
day12-21 20mg Nolvdex

Orals only please!

**Hunter** · 12-26-2006, 04:39 PM

Without the proper diet,routine and adequate amounts of rest a cycle is nothing. I would post up your routine and diet first becouse with changes in these, you can make great gains. Remember better base better results. I have put on 30 pounds since joining without touching an anabolic .

**badER** · 12-26-2006, 04:46 PM

As for mn_fighter; I think my diet is as good as it can get and my trainning is pretty solid.

Watch this space... ill post them up.

**taiboxa** · 12-26-2006, 04:54 PM

this thread is retarded i dont get it.. its so stupid i would say its a joke but.. now im unsure =\

**Snrf** · 12-26-2006, 04:56 PM

a drol/winny cycle?

hmmm, if you're absolutely hell bent on an oral only cycle i've heard dbol /winny is good. dunno about the drol, i think its even more water weight than dbol so not so good.

**badER** · 12-26-2006, 05:08 PM

Wake 7:30 am
7:30 2 scoop Pro-Mass 35g

8:00 breakfast large bowl wholewheat breakfast cereal with 1/3 pint skimmed milk + sugar 15g
2 slices wholemeal bread toasted + olive oil spread 22g
1 scoop Pro-Mass 17g
100ml orange juice + 1 tblsp olive oil

10:30 ½ portion weight gain drink with skimmed milk 27g
fruit

12:30 tuna (95g) + 1 tblsp natural yoghurt 27g
½ small chicken breast (60g) 18g
4 slices wholemeal bread + olive oil spread
salad
low fat yoghurt 7g

15:00 Full portion MRP* made in half water + half skimmed milk 48g
fruit

17:00 ½ portion weight gain drink with skimmed milk and multidextrose powder 27g
TRAIN
18:30
(after training) 2 scoops whey protein 40g

19:30 Tuna (95g) 20g
½ small chicken breast (60g) 18g
either 2 medium jacket potatoes
or 200g boiled white rice
or 350g boiled wholewheat pasta
vegetables
low fat yoghurt 7g

22:00 1 scoop Pro-Mass 17g

23:30 1 scoop Pro-Mass in Milk 27g
23:30 - BED
Total Protein 336g

Diet by ToxicToffee

**spywizard** · 12-26-2006, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by mn_fighter

Without the proper diet,routine and adequate amounts of rest a cycle is nothing. I would post up your routine and diet first becouse with changes in these, you can make great gains. Remember better base better results. I have put on 30 pounds since joining without touching an anabolic.

we have a winner...

an all oral cycle can be effective, however it will not give you the gains that you might or might not be looking for..

they will still mess you up, in someways worse than injectables..

**HORSE~** · 12-26-2006, 05:14 PM

Why do you want to do an oral only cycle?

***BajanBastard*** · 12-26-2006, 05:19 PM

The title of this thread actually made me laugh out loud. Anyway there are better oral only cycles than this.

**badER** · 12-26-2006, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by BajanBastard

The title of this thread actually made me laugh out loud. Anyway there are better oral only cycles than this.

Such as?

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Still living at home with the parents... Im not sure they would approve.

Orals are easier to hide inside my PC case :/

**T3/T4 GSR** · 12-26-2006, 05:21 PM

I would do something like tbol/anavar if you wanna od oral only. I plan to try a short dbol /proviron cycle one day.

**crash187ct** · 12-26-2006, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by T3/T4 GSR

I would do something like tbol/anavar

anavar /tbol

**GHO5T** · 12-26-2006, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by badER

Im 20, 160lbs about 8% BF almost 5'7. Saying that im young wouldnt make a difference so please please dont! Instead advice me on my cycle.

week1 50mg Anadrol 20mg Nolvadex 0.5mg Adex
week2 50mg Anadrol 20mg Nolvadex 0.5mg Adex
week3 50mg Anadrol 20mg Nolvadex 0.5mg Adex
week4 30mg Stanozolol 20mg Nolvadex 0.5mg Adex
week5 30mg Stanozolol 20mg Nolvadex 0.5mg Adex
week6 30mg Stanozolol 20mg Nolvadex 0.5mg Adex

The Anadrol will be split into 2 seperate doses. AM and PM.
The Stanozolol will be split into 3 seperate doses. AM, Noon and PM.

PCT:

day1 60mg Nolvedex
day2-11 40mg Nolvdex
day12-21 20mg Nolvdex

Orals only please!

Hey bro an only oral cycle IMO is a deff

BTW if you have any liver issues down the road and need to see a doc, pm me i know a good one

.

**badER** · 12-26-2006, 06:07 PM

Ive currently got

Tbol - ** 10mg (enough for 6weeks) @ 60mg
Prov - Pharma stuff 25mg (enough for 4weeks) @ 50mg
Nolv - ** 10mg (enough for 3weeks) @ 40mg
Nolv - Pharma stuff 20mg (enough for 3weeks) @ 40mg

:/

**Hunter** · 12-26-2006, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by badER

Wake 7:30 am
7:30 2 scoop Pro-Mass 35g

8:00 breakfast large bowl wholewheat breakfast cereal with 1/3 pint skimmed milk + sugar 15g
2 slices wholemeal bread toasted + olive oil spread 22g
1 scoop Pro-Mass 17g
100ml orange juice + 1 tblsp olive oil

10:30 ½ portion weight gain drink with skimmed milk 27g
fruit

12:30 tuna (95g) + 1 tblsp natural yoghurt 27g
½ small chicken breast (60g) 18g
4 slices wholemeal bread + olive oil spread
salad
low fat yoghurt 7g

15:00 Full portion MRP* made in half water + half skimmed milk 48g
fruit

17:00 ½ portion weight gain drink with skimmed milk and multidextrose powder 27g
TRAIN
18:30
(after training) 2 scoops whey protein 40g

19:30 Tuna (95g) 20g
½ small chicken breast (60g) 18g
either 2 medium jacket potatoes
or 200g boiled white rice
or 350g boiled wholewheat pasta
vegetables
low fat yoghurt 7g

22:00 1 scoop Pro-Mass 17g

23:30 1 scoop Pro-Mass in Milk 27g
23:30 - BED
Total Protein 336g

Diet by ToxicToffee

way to many shakes, drop some of the milk(I dont use milk to much sugar plus it bloats me). Get some more low glycemic carbs, I would not consume all that bread. More vegies. It can use alot of work. Post up in the diet section and let the vets/mods/moniters/more experianced members really work on it

**Hunter** · 12-26-2006, 06:09 PM

Did you guys miss he is only 20 and look at his diet(needs work). He can make great gains natty.

**wes cst rydr** · 12-26-2006, 06:14 PM

just an opinion........dont do it cause its what you have.i made that mistake before.your diet is ok.why not make them both great ,cycle and diet?just my 2 cents.

**FearlessFighter** · 12-26-2006, 06:16 PM

Get some Clomid too for your PCT. Nolvadex -only PCT isn't very effective.

**plzr8** · 12-26-2006, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by mn_fighter

Did you guys miss he is only 20 and look at his diet(needs work). He can make great gains natty.

thank you! not sure why we are contributing to someone who is at most 20 years old to take an oral only cycle

**Liftnainez** · 12-26-2006, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by mn_fighter

way to many shakes, drop some of the milk(I dont use milk to much sugar plus it bloats me). Get some more low glycemic carbs, I would not consume all that bread. More vegies. It can use alot of work. Post up in the diet section and let the vets/mods/moniters/more experianced members really work on it

i think that depends on the person..not one way works for all people.. when i was incorporating 3 or even 4+ shakes I was doing just fine..

**Apex** · 12-26-2006, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by badER

Such as?

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Still living at home with the parents... Im not sure they would approve.

Orals are easier to hide inside my PC case :/

With all due respect - this is an adult decision-(adult=someone who does not live with mommy & daddy).

Get out on your own before even considering aas!

**badER** · 12-26-2006, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Apex

With all due respect - this is an adult decision-(adult=someone who does not live with mommy & daddy).

Get out on your own before even considering aas!

im sorry, so adults cannot live with there parents?

**Hunter** · 12-26-2006, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Liftnainez

i think that depends on the person..not one way works for all people.. when i was incorporating 3 or even 4+ shakes I was doing just fine..

I agree everyone needs to know there own body and what works. I personal find whole food works better then shakes. I just think his diet needs work and there is no reason for him to touch aas yet.

**Hunter** · 12-26-2006, 08:16 PM

Really post your diet up in the diet section and your routine up in the workout section. I know at 20 your far from your genetic level and can put on much more muscle naturally.

**T3/T4 GSR** · 12-26-2006, 08:18 PM

As much as I hate to stand up for the guy but come on...realisticly we all know the majority of steroid users hardly wait for their "genetic peak".

**badER** · 12-26-2006, 08:19 PM

errr, personally i think my diet is spot on. Im getting a large amount of protein, carbs and EFA's so what exactly wrong with it?

**Hunter** · 12-26-2006, 08:24 PM

not enough veggies and I would incoperate lower glycemic carbs. Also I would try to get alot more whole food and less shakes. Just post it up in the diet section and let the vets look through it. Thats why we are all here. I would add cream of wheat or oatmeal and take out the whole wheat cereal and milk. Take out the orange juice that is almost pure sugar. I would add protien powder to your oats and add eggs. I mean I would change alot of it.

**Jucinator2** · 12-26-2006, 08:31 PM

I always have 2 injectables in all of my cycles but plenty of people do oral only cycles. If you put a base injectable like test p or e most people woundnt say a word. Bottom line is back in the day lots of olympic athletes did oral only cycles with great gains in speed or indurance. the problem is that the gains go away after adminastration of drug is stopped. I seen pleanty of people over the last 20 years blow up on anadrol only cycle or a dbol only cycle. hell I ran a 6 week winny /anavar cycle and it was great , cut up as hell and strong and could run forever on the tread mill. not that i did much of that because it cuts into your size. most of the cycles they ran in the 60's and 70's are looked at as bad cycles today , but they grew. (my 2 cents )

**italianplayboy09** · 12-26-2006, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Apex

With all due respect - this is an adult decision-(adult=someone who does not live with mommy & daddy).

Get out on your own before even considering aas!

**chest6** · 12-26-2006, 09:20 PM

ROFL. Do you ever eat FOOD? Your whole day seems to consist of shakes.

You seem very stubborn. You seem like you already know everything.

If thats the case..carry on with your 8 shakes a day and your sorry ass cycle.

**Apex** · 12-26-2006, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by badER

im sorry, so adults cannot live with there parents?

No Brother - an adult doesn't disrespect those they are living with- deceiving or trying to hide because of disapproval from the home owners-think about it!
Not trying to give a moral lecture bro-JMO

**D-Money** · 12-26-2006, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by badER

Im 20, 160lbs about 8% BF almost 5'7. Saying that im young wouldnt make a difference so please please dont! Instead advice me on my cycle.

week1 50mg Anadrol 20mg Nolvadex 0.5mg Adex
week2 50mg Anadrol 20mg Nolvadex 0.5mg Adex
week3 50mg Anadrol 20mg Nolvadex 0.5mg Adex
week4 30mg Stanozolol 20mg Nolvadex 0.5mg Adex
week5 30mg Stanozolol 20mg Nolvadex 0.5mg Adex
week6 30mg Stanozolol 20mg Nolvadex 0.5mg Adex

The Anadrol will be split into 2 seperate doses. AM and PM.
The Stanozolol will be split into 3 seperate doses. AM, Noon and PM.

PCT:

day1 60mg Nolvedex
day2-11 40mg Nolvdex
day12-21 20mg Nolvdex

Orals only please!

There is this guy named Anthony Roberts. According to his book, his first cycle was d-bol only and he gained 25lbs, and kept about half of it. I don't see anything wrong with an oral only cycle. Just keep it brief, watch your liver. Drink plenty of water, diet is key to any cycle. I have friends who have done oral only cycles and they love them. I think the compounds one takes should depend on their goals I'm not of the test every cycle way of thinking. I like d-bol better because I don't hear people getting sides from it like Anadrol like flu like symptoms. It's been around for years, and Arnold loved it lol!

**Manpretty** · 12-27-2006, 06:33 AM

badER what exactly are your goals?
i can see you are hell bent on cycling so ill try and give some good advice based on what you wanna do......im an athelete and i also like oral only cycles....so ill suggest a cycle once you post your goals....another member that will not flame you and has advised me with some great advice on this subject is hellmask.

you are young and the reasons not to cycle that young are "genitic potential" and growth plate hardening....
maybe im wrong but ive never seen a study that SHOWS that cycling before genitic potential is met will harm your gains later on with regards to cycling. just heard alot of rumors saying this..

growth plate harding is of concern however, if the growth plates are not done hardening you may stunt you growth....

**James444** · 12-27-2006, 07:01 AM

This guy is a test drone. when i was 20 (it was 1998) i wanted to do roids. I could bench 265(1rm)and weighed 170lbs. from just takin protein. I didnt get any riods til i was 22 and i had a reputable(ligit) enough source. (that i trusted) the shit was real expensive too(iwas gettin taxed)

In 1998 PCT was not discovered ,but i still knew that anadrol would be a bad choice for my first cycle.
It has THE WORST SIDES out of any riods (test suspention at 2nd worst)

Not to mention you wont keep your size.
Even try anavar -dbol (or tbol) stack. if we cant stop you.

I would tell you to wait till 23 but i cant force you.

I wish I would have waited couple of more years for all the PCT products that came out in 2000(-2006). nothing bad happened but i never took anadrol.
And maybe i would have grown to be 6foot tall, instead of the 5ft11in,that I am now. (at 28yrs old)

**taiboxa** · 12-27-2006, 01:45 PM

IMO ur too small for a cycle but oh erll

**HOLLYWOOD** · 12-27-2006, 04:15 PM

you we're looking for advice when you signed up on this board right? Well these guys (including myself) have been around this stuff for a long time so that makes us qualified to at least give advice to people. There is a reason why people are telling you to wait and take advantage of your natural test levels. They are not telling you to wait for personal gain because we don't even know you. Fact of the matter is, it' s in your best interest to wait backed up by sh*t loads of research that you should of already read.

So, with that being said, I am gonna tell you to wait because i know more than you regarding AAS and you should listen to us.

PS. a-drol is hardly for beginner's

**thekaydense** · 01-03-2007, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by mn_fighter

way to many shakes, drop some of the milk(I dont use milk to much sugar plus it bloats me). Get some more low glycemic carbs, I would not consume all that bread. More vegies. It can use alot of work. Post up in the diet section and let the vets/mods/moniters/more experianced members really work on it

the "sugar" in milk is lactose. with a Glycemic index rating of 46. = low

but yeah i think way too many shakes.