Patellar Tendinitis = a side of gear?

**WelshWarrior** · 01-30-2007, 12:48 PM

Just finished a consultation with a knee doctor as been experiencing weakness and pain in my knees. Once the doc had diagnosed it as Patellar Tendinitis or "Jumper's knee", he asked if I took gear.

When I asked why he said because steroid use weakens this tendon in the knee.

Anyone else heard this? Does this mean no more gear if I want it to go?!

**Maldorf** · 01-30-2007, 12:58 PM

Not so sure about it actually weaking the connective tissue of the knee. I do know that sometimes the rapid strength gains you get from taking the AAS will overstress the tendons, as they dont have proper time to grow stronger. The connective tissues dont grow nearly as fast, and dont have a good blood supply. I think I might have read somewhere about some AAS weaking the tendons though, might have been winstrol but im very unsure about that. Ive had petellar tendonitis plenty of times, and I usually get it when I am trying to do powerlifting to gain strength. The pounding of that heavy weight week after week adds up and my tendons just cant take it anymore.

**Drummerboy** · 01-30-2007, 01:01 PM

Yes, cycling certain AAS, especially heavy use, can weaken the knees. I know this for fact. Specific tendons are affected. And i agree with ^^^^too, muscles build way to fast for tendons and bones to keep up... thats why ya get injuries, espicially with AI abuse

~DB~

**WelshWarrior** · 01-31-2007, 03:00 AM

AI abuse?

Do you guys think admitting to steroid use will be beneficial to treatment?

**WelshWarrior** · 02-01-2007, 03:45 PM

bump

**Lejes** · 02-01-2007, 07:42 PM

I've suffered Jumper's knee since February 06 but trumped it a month ago. About six weeks into my first cycle it was completely gone! Granted it's only 500mg test e, but my connective tissues all feel ace! I'm a high-impact athlete too / jump!

In short, to fix jumper's knee it's patellar tendonosis, not tendonitis. That's a mis-diagnosis. For me, it was a matter of bringing my posterior chain up to par (glutes and hams) / because I was quad dominant. On the gear, and the fact I was hammering the hell out of my P-chain with heavy glraises, heavy uni-hyperextensions, stiff deads, etc etc / Doing some glute activation work - the P-chain got strong super fast (something fairly under-trained + gear = BIG IMPROVEMENT) and voila, jumper's knee disappeared almost instantly because the posterior chain alleviated the tendon by a balancing act. That was 10 months of suffering with jumper's knee too!

Jumper's knee is extremely common. I'd focus on the surrounding areas - your posterior chain could be weak or dormant, you could have ankle mobility problems (bad ankle mobility means compensation via knee mobility which is terrible!), your hips could be tight, stretch your hip flexors. Wear those jumper knee straps by cho-pat or mueller. Avoid additional trauma or sheering force by avoiding movements that cause discomfort for awhile.

Try focusing on the problem via neuromuscular reprogramming, training adjustments / the gear should not be your focus here.

**Lejes** · 02-01-2007, 07:43 PM

Oh, and no. Do not admit to AI use. It's not the issue here.

**Megaherz** · 02-01-2007, 08:34 PM

I kinda wonder about this myself. I've been getting a steady size/strength
increase on a test e/deca cycle and worked up to getting a solid 6-8
reps on leg presses at 1000lbs. My last workout though was horrible!
My left knee/tendon was so painful I had to stop after getting a set at
only 800lbs. Now it hurts all the time if I put too much body weight on it.

**Maldorf** · 02-02-2007, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by Megaherz

I kinda wonder about this myself. I've been getting a steady size/strength
increase on a test e/deca cycle and worked up to getting a solid 6-8
reps on leg presses at 1000lbs. My last workout though was horrible!
My left knee/tendon was so painful I had to stop after getting a set at
only 800lbs. Now it hurts all the time if I put too much body weight on it.

Another thing you have to consider is that you cannot lift heavy weight/low rep week after week. The times I end up getting pain in my petellar tendon are when I squat with really low reps for many weeks. Ive tried some powerlifting workouts that have really messed me up that way. I used to be able to do those workouts when I was younger, but now at 37 yrs old I cannot. So age is another factor. Cycle your lifting intensity so that you only lift in the low rep range for a couple of weeks only.
High reps, 12-20, will always clear up my pain after doing it for about 3 or 4 weeks. Slowly work your way back to your old weight.

**WelshWarrior** · 02-02-2007, 04:07 AM

My hams have always been pretty strong, but I will wait to see what the specialist says on this - if nothing then I will bring it up.

As to reps, for the past 8 months I have always been in the 15 rep range as it has always given me better pumps.

**Maldorf** · 02-02-2007, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by WelshWarrior

My hams have always been pretty strong, but I will wait to see what the specialist says on this - if nothing then I will bring it up.

As to reps, for the past 8 months I have always been in the 15 rep range as it has always given me better pumps.

Would think that would be kind to your tendon. If youre still feeling the pain though, I would find an exercise for your legs that doesnt hurt and do high reps on that. When mine was real sore a couple of times, I did nothing but leg presses for a few weeks and it went away. Squats and leg ext were what hurt it, but leg presses did not. I alwyas went with 20 reps on week 1, 15-18 on week 2, 12-15 on week 3 you get the idea.

**WelshWarrior** · 02-04-2007, 04:00 PM

Just had the note from the doc come through and it makes a special fact of the fact that I have denied steroid use .

Do you think this will have any implications to my treatment/recovery?

**Hellmaskbanned** · 02-04-2007, 05:37 PM

Your docter is stupid.

Tendinitus in the knees is commin if your pushing them hard. Of course if your squatting weight you've never done before it's going to strain them.

Also different steroids dry you out. You need estrogen/progesterone to keep your joints "lubed".

**WelshWarrior** · 02-05-2007, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

Your docter is stupid.

Tendinitus in the knees is commin if your pushing them hard. Of course if your squatting weight you've never done before it's going to strain them.

Also different steroids dry you out. You need estrogen/progesterone to keep your joints "lubed".

The course included deca , though?

Are you saying roids don't cause damage to tendons? I wasn't aware they did, so when the doc said it was news to me.

**Drummerboy** · 02-26-2007, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Lejes

I've suffered Jumper's knee since February 06 but trumped it a month ago. About six weeks into my first cycle it was completely gone! Granted it's only 500mg test e, but my connective tissues all feel ace! I'm a high-impact athlete too / jump!

In short, to fix jumper's knee it's patellar tendonosis, not tendonitis. That's a mis-diagnosis. For me, it was a matter of bringing my posterior chain up to par (glutes and hams) / because I was quad dominant. On the gear, and the fact I was hammering the hell out of my P-chain with heavy glraises, heavy uni-hyperextensions, stiff deads, etc etc / Doing some glute activation work - the P-chain got strong super fast (something fairly under-trained + gear = BIG IMPROVEMENT) and voila, jumper's knee disappeared almost instantly because the posterior chain alleviated the tendon by a balancing act. That was 10 months of suffering with jumper's knee too!

Jumper's knee is extremely common. I'd focus on the surrounding areas - your posterior chain could be weak or dormant, you could have ankle mobility problems (bad ankle mobility means compensation via knee mobility which is terrible!), your hips could be tight, stretch your hip flexors. Wear those jumper knee straps by cho-pat or mueller. Avoid additional trauma or sheering force by avoiding movements that cause discomfort for awhile.

Try focusing on the problem via neuromuscular reprogramming, training adjustments / the gear should not be your focus here.

dont count on staying strong after cycle... unless its administered properly by a doc with therapy

**Drummerboy** · 02-26-2007, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

Your docter is stupid.

Tendinitus in the knees is commin if your pushing them hard. Of course if your squatting weight you've never done before it's going to strain them.

Also different steroids dry you out. You need estrogen/progesterone to keep your joints "lubed".

Ive known a lot of cases where the knees inner/outter tendons weaken after heavy test use... brittle... and yes of course it aslo has something to do with pushing them hard.. but building properly should avoid such injuries, which are often permanent and recurring. Elbows the same. Estro helps with its anti inflammatory effect... for sure you cut estro and lift crazy youll feel it...

~DB~

~DB~