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    Hair Loss, What can I take??

    I have had great results with testosterone , but it seems to be thinning my hair quite a bit, im 38 years old. What can I take that wouldn't make my hair shed so bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaboytp
    I have had great results with testosterone , but it seems to be thinning my hair quite a bit, im 38 years old. What can I take that wouldn't make my hair shed so bad?

    Thx

    Best known proven product is finasteride known as propecia or proscar.

    the reason the testosterone accelerates the hair loss is that testosterone is converted to another hormone called dihydroxytestosterone or dht , this is the hormone that is known to be part of the problem. Elevated levels of testosterone ordinarily means elevated levels of dht. the process of conversion from testosterone to dht is facilitated by the enzyme 5-alpahreductase.

    finasteride interferes with the action of 5-alphareductas and so hinders or stops dht from forming. the therapeutic dose is very low at 1mg.

    it should be noted that dht is known to be involved in arousal and libido and so can cause issues here, although it is reported that only 1 or 2% of individuals suffer , i am not sure if these 1 0r 2 % are extreme cases and possibly reduced libido could be more common but less severe or noticable.

    finasteride will also have a positive effect on prostate health as dht is involved in enlargment of the prostate, another side effect noted related to this is reduced ejaculate , this being as a result of less being produced by the prostate.

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    I took finasteride (proscar) and Dutasteride, and my libido shit the bed.
    In fact it got so bad, i ditched a girl in the middle of the nite, cause i freaked LOL.
    I'm on the highway n she's calling me why i left? LOL I told her i had somethign to do ro sumething lol.. she prolly thought her pussy stank or something.
    anyway that proscar nightmare aside..

    DHT blocker, like propecia wil also kill your gains, cause DHT helps with muscle gains also,,, so u might as well just take a lower dose of TEST imo.

    I'd say cut down on the dosages is the best way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeIsRunningOut
    Best known proven product is finasteride known as propecia or proscar.

    the reason the testosterone accelerates the hair loss is that testosterone is converted to another hormone called dihydroxytestosterone or dht , this is the hormone that is known to be part of the problem. Elevated levels of testosterone ordinarily means elevated levels of dht. the process of conversion from testosterone to dht is facilitated by the enzyme 5-alpahreductase.

    finasteride interferes with the action of 5-alphareductas and so hinders or stops dht from forming. the therapeutic dose is very low at 1mg.

    it should be noted that dht is known to be involved in arousal and libido and so can cause issues here, although it is reported that only 1 or 2% of individuals suffer , i am not sure if these 1 0r 2 % are extreme cases and possibly reduced libido could be more common but less severe or noticable.

    finasteride will also have a positive effect on prostate health as dht is involved in enlargment of the prostate, another side effect noted related to this is reduced ejaculate , this being as a result of less being produced by the prostate.
    Can you give me your opinion on how you think it will affect my gains?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaboytp
    Can you give me your opinion on how you think it will affect my gains?

    im not sure of the exact importance of dht in gains, although i am aware of the theory that is involved in strength and other areas. dht is a potent hormone 4 or 5 times more than testosterone so i guess it has a greater affinity (i.e more strongly activates androgen receptors) for certain androgen receptors, muscle cells probably being one of them. It might be helpful to remember as well that the same can be said of estrogen but obviously not the exact same reasons apply but estrogen has positve effects on strength and other areas it is known but we routinely introduce measures to curb its influence although it is more complex as excess estrogen kind of works against testosterone, but still estrogen is relatively important.

    i guess using dht will hinder gains somewhat but you still have all the other compounds floating around so you no doubt will be in a very anabolic state still and with a much better head of hair hopefully.

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    at the end of the day blocking dht can have its draw backs,gains can be affected and strength gains definitley will be.but if you arent ready to go bald then dht inhibators are the tool for the job.

    i for one arent ready to lose my hair,which is why i stay away from strong androgenic drugs,ok so my gains will be smaller but still effective.


    you have to remember that even if you block/reduce dht,testosterone in its basic form is a very androgenic compound which will still cause sides/hairloss when taking high doses,so dont presume your safe.nizorol is a shampoo that can help reduce dht in the scalp,i tend to run it just in case.


    so run proscar,dutas or propecia along with nizorol and see how you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helium3
    at the end of the day blocking dht can have its draw backs,gains can be affected and strength gains definitley will be.but if you arent ready to go bald then dht inhibators are the tool for the job.

    i for one arent ready to lose my hair,which is why i stay away from strong androgenic drugs,ok so my gains will be smaller but still effective.


    you have to remember that even if you block/reduce dht,testosterone in its basic form is a very androgenic compound which will still cause sides/hairloss when taking high doses,so dont presume your safe.nizorol is a shampoo that can help reduce dht in the scalp,i tend to run it just in case.


    so run proscar,dutas or propecia along with nizorol and see how you go.

    I had never thought of it like that , i was always led to believe that dht was the sole culprit for hair loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALPHAMALE77
    Ive Been Using The New Rogain Foam...sortta Like Moose You Know ...what I Mean... Its Really Starting To Work.....pretty Good Stuff.....

    I understand that rogaine is only recommended for the top of the head and not the thinning at the temples , is that what you have found?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeIsRunningOut
    I had never thought of it like that , i was always led to believe that dht was the sole culprit for hair loss.
    That is why tren is bad for hairline.

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    I would try GH. When I take GH I definately see the difference.

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    Ok I Read All These Remedies Dont Work On The Hairline And The Temples!! Question Is .. Is There Anything Besides A Hair Transplant That Will Help Regrowth In The Hairline/temple Area?

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    I Also Read On Other Hair Sites That Actually Its The Oppsite With Durtast That Since It Blocks THE Dht conversion Its Keeps the test in your Bloodstream..thus Giving U A Little Bit Extra Strength Gain and even causing bloating sumtimes . Not Sayin Its True But I Did Read It .. I Will Look For The Article
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeIsRunningOut
    I understand that rogaine is only recommended for the top of the head and not the thinning at the temples , is that what you have found?
    REALLY JUST USING IT IN MY CROWN

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    I have been using propercia for about 2 1/2 years now and have never had a problem with my libido, I had my blood work done about a month ago and my natural test levels where high.

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    i think he is asking what roids he can take, not what preventions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donniebrasco
    i think he is asking what roids he can take, not what preventions?
    There are some but they won't beat the duta/test combo.

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