Okay to only hit shoulders?

**Transend** · 03-15-2007, 11:06 PM

The prop is killing my quads. delts are much more reasonable in pain for workouts. as long as the pain is gone does is matter to rotate between each shoulder? anything wrong with this?

**Lunacy** · 03-15-2007, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by Transend

The prop is killing my quads. delts are much more reasonable in pain for workouts. as long as the pain is gone does is matter to rotate between each shoulder? anything wrong with this?

What are you saying? Just shoulders EOD? Their your shoulders. Get prop made with EO and life will be much better...

**x_moe** · 03-15-2007, 11:30 PM

dont hit the same spot more than once a week

**hexadec** · 03-16-2007, 12:13 AM

No. Bad idea. You should find something else to hit. That's eod shots and in three weeks imagine what pincushions your delts will be. Some guys like bi and tri shots so you could give that a go. I don't and would much rather hit quads and glutes. You could cut the stuff with some other gear.

**Transend** · 03-16-2007, 05:04 AM

Sorry, I was vague. Im shooting 500mgs prop with 225 mgs tren a week EOD. Just finished my workout after shooting in the shoulder yesterday, everything went great (even though there is still a slight bit of pain in my quad from the first shot). I havent tried the glutes yet, but from my research it seems others have had problems similar to their quads in their glutes. My main concern is having the shot leaving me unable to workout.

**vicious cycle** · 03-16-2007, 07:16 AM

You will scar. Rotate between delts, glutes and quads. You'll get use to it. It takes time.

**elcue** · 03-16-2007, 09:39 AM

my prop killin my quads too..i started puttin some deca in same syringe with it and that worked a little bit...use ur glutes seemed not be as sore, as far as ur first question i wouldnt just do delts could build up scar tissue.

**jagdpanther** · 03-16-2007, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by elcue

my prop killin my quads too..i started puttin some deca in same syringe with it and that worked a little bit...use ur glutes seemed not be as sore, as far as ur first question i wouldnt just do delts could build up scar tissue.

I have found hitting my lateral quads higher up - closer to my hips causes less pain the next day.

I'll bump what everyone else has said - don't hit the same muscle for at least a week.

**Transend** · 03-16-2007, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by jagdpanther

I have found hitting my lateral quads higher up - closer to my hips causes less pain the next day.

I'll bump what everyone else has said - don't hit the same muscle for at least a week.

i read this same thing on another threat. half was on the quad and 3/4 way up. He said that it was suggested by his orthopedic surgeon bud or something and that it was much better then where he used to hit before. Ive never experienced this "pincushion" effect from excess scar tissue, but dont want to start doing things dumb. The delts feel much better to hit, but im gonna see what glutes feel like (i hope ill be able to walk and workout if my ass goes out) and definitely gonna try shooting a different part of the quad. Thanks. Quick question, when i hit quads it lasts for a good week. You dont seem to have that bad a day after, but how does the leg feel after the next day?

**Zipper** · 03-16-2007, 02:54 PM

Why not try your pecs? Do mine all the time with no problems.

**taiboxa** · 03-16-2007, 04:20 PM

well its not COMMON practice but in some of my heavier cycles when i was doing more than 1 shot a day.. i would hit the same Delt EoD and had no issues and no scar tissue from it...

**Dude-Man** · 03-16-2007, 04:27 PM

I put prop in my biceps and delts only.

**king6** · 03-16-2007, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Zipper

Why not try your pecs? Do mine all the time with no problems.

I hate pecs, it always leaves me sore as hell. Quads, delts, and glutes work good though.

**jagdpanther** · 03-16-2007, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Transend

Quick question, when i hit quads it lasts for a good week. You dont seem to have that bad a day after, but how does the leg feel after the next day?

When I shot lower it was tender it for maybe 3-4 days. I put 2ml of masteron in my upper left quad Tuesday and 2 ml in my upper right quad Thursday (yesterday). It wasn't prop but still I had no pain. I did legs yesterday that included the standards: squats, lounges, ext. machine. hamstring machine, calves, plus I did plyometrics like jumping on and off boxes (I actually did these before the weights). No pain what so ever, not saying this will work the same for you but that has been my recent experience.

Today I jumped rope to warm up for 15 minutes still no pain.

Oh by the way Glutes are good, Lats are good, pecs I haven't decided yet. I've shot them recently for the first time with less then desireble results. I'll try it again before deciding. Calves are out, if you think the quads are bad don't even think about calves. I did one calve once and never again.

**taiboxa** · 03-16-2007, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by king6

I hate pecs, it always leaves me sore as hell. Quads, delts, and glutes work good though.

yeah and another thing i noticed is when i started using pecs regulary is when ended up treaing my pec.. this also happend w/ a fellow board member when he started using his pecs as wel as my work out partner.. ODD ODD ODD..

**Transend** · 03-17-2007, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

well its not COMMON practice but in some of my heavier cycles when i was doing more than 1 shot a day.. i would hit the same Delt EoD and had no issues and no scar tissue from it...

I assume when you hit that same delt the swelling had dissappearded before you shot it again

**jagdpanther** · 03-17-2007, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

yeah and another thing i noticed is when i started using pecs regulary is when ended up treaing my pec.. this also happend w/ a fellow board member when he started using his pecs as wel as my work out partner.. ODD ODD ODD..

Did your pec swell up like hell when you tore it? I shot my pecs for the first time the other week.The left one gota sterile abscess that looked like it was going away. Then on thursday night I was doing some ballistic stuff at the gym and I think I may have tore. I had to ice it all night and still it hurt. Didn't fall asleep till six the next morning. Now the pain has died down but the swelling is bad. maybe a stupid idea but I think when the muscle contracted it forced the liquid in the abcsess to move and tear my pec.

jagdpanther

**taiboxa** · 03-17-2007, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by jagdpanther

Did your pec swell up like hell when you tore it? I shot my pecs for the first time the other week.The left one gota sterile abscess that looked like it was going away. Then on thursday night I was doing some ballistic stuff at the gym and I think I may have tore. I had to ice it all night and still it hurt. Didn't fall asleep till six the next morning. Now the pain has died down but the swelling is bad. maybe a stupid idea but I think when the muscle contracted it forced the liquid in the abcsess to move and tear my pec.

jagdpanther

lil puffy.. and the pain was deep and sharp.. the funny thing is.. during the lift it first felt like someone stabbed my peck w/ an ice pick then.. i cuold literally feel the muscle comming.. "unfraid"? like peeling apart and it was insanely painful.

**jagdpanther** · 03-17-2007, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

i cuold literally feel the muscle comming.. "unfraid"? like peeling apart and it was insanely painful.

Ice pick ... check
unfraid ... check
Insanely pain at the momment it a happened and then it started to on the drive home after the gym. then it kept hurting all night.
Yah I think I tore it.

What was the down time like? could you still work other upper body parts hard?

**taiboxa** · 03-17-2007, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by jagdpanther

Ice pick ... check
unfraid ... check
Insanely pain at the momment it a happened and then it started to on the drive home after the gym. then it kept hurting all night.
Yah I think I tore it.

What was the down time like? could you still work other upper body parts hard?

downtime? i dont know.. i took a few weeks off worked into it slow.. umm..
2yrs later.. STILL HAVE ISSUES with it.. and even at 16iu GH everyday for 6months... didnt help

**Vinlander** · 03-18-2007, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by Transend

The prop is killing my quads. delts are much more reasonable in pain for workouts. as long as the pain is gone does is matter to rotate between each shoulder? anything wrong with this?

I just experienced deltoid injections EOD for six weeks. In the last two of the cycle, scar tissue developed and pushing through the outer layer of skin became like punching through a hard shell, even with single-use, Terumo needles.

My suggestion would be to use your delts if that's what you're comfortable with, but alternate your glutes in once/week at least to give them a rest and to regenerate the tissue.

**gagear628** · 03-18-2007, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by vicious cycle

You will scar. Rotate between delts, glutes and quads. You'll get use to it. It takes time.

Thats what i would do and thats what i have done. When i was shooting prop i went ass ass shoulder shoulder delt delt that gave each area about a week to heal. Its bad to shoot in only in only 4 areas with prop and tren . You may not have problems now but in a couple weeks you will be feeling the scare tissue and have to press harder and hard to get the stick all the way in so id say rotate bro and your body will adapt and get used to it. good luck bro

**Transend** · 03-22-2007, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Vinlander

I just experienced deltoid injections EOD for six weeks. In the last two of the cycle, scar tissue developed and pushing through the outer layer of skin became like punching through a hard shell, even with single-use, Terumo needles.

My suggestion would be to use your delts if that's what you're comfortable with, but alternate your glutes in once/week at least to give them a rest and to regenerate the tissue.

I tried to use one of the suggestions put up and shot my right quad mid way about 3/4 up. Massaged thoroughly for a good 10 minutes. I though everything was going well but once again my lege feels like it was slugged by a crowbar and ive been kept out of the gym. I want to push glutes but im hesisitant since its part of the leg and i assume its gonna keep me down too. Never had problems with shoulders. Ive always been able to workout after shooting. Also im putting in about 2.6 cc every shot which might also add to the problem. I think what im gonna do is cut back my dose and work it out so that Im always only hitting 2cc's EOD. Im hoping this will help circumvent andy problems when I try out glutes. Either way, quads are definitely out.

(VC- I see now why you questioned whether prop on a second cycle was a great choice)

**Vinlander** · 03-23-2007, 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by Transend

I tried to use one of the suggestions put up and shot my right quad mid way about 3/4 up. Massaged thoroughly for a good 10 minutes. I though everything was going well but once again my lege feels like it was slugged by a crowbar and ive been kept out of the gym. I want to push glutes but im hesisitant since its part of the leg and i assume its gonna keep me down too. Never had problems with shoulders. Ive always been able to workout after shooting. Also im putting in about 2.6 cc every shot which might also add to the problem. I think what im gonna do is cut back my dose and work it out so that Im always only hitting 2cc's EOD. Im hoping this will help circumvent andy problems when I try out glutes. Either way, quads are definitely out.

(VC- I see now why you questioned whether prop on a second cycle was a great choice)

Glutes and delts are the primary injections shots. Be sure to examine a diagram thoroughly to know where you're injecting. The gluteus minimus is the best place as it's not located near the sciatic nerve, which could really give you a rough time of things.

**Transend** · 03-23-2007, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by Vinlander

Glutes and delts are the primary injections shots. Be sure to examine a diagram thoroughly to know where you're injecting. The gluteus minimus is the best place as it's not located near the sciatic nerve, which could really give you a rough time of things.

I take it you have had no problems hitting in the butt cheek. Id feel happier if someone could tetsify to the fact that they have had problems with quads but not delts and glutes.

**vicious cycle** · 03-23-2007, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by Transend

(VC- I see now why you questioned whether prop on a second cycle was a great choice)

I'm glad to see at least someone doesn't think I'm completely full of shit.

Originally Posted by Transend

I take it you have had no problems hitting in the butt cheek. Id feel happier if someone could tetsify to the fact that they have had problems with quads but not delts and glutes.

Now that you made the decision to go with the prop/tren you must rotate as much as you can. Scaring sucks. Yours is an even more difficult situation because, like you said, it's a minimum of 2cc (1 Prop/1 Tren) EOD.

I'm not saying that hitting the glutes won't hurt. It may very well hurt like hell; but it shouldn't stop you from doing legs. So for you now it's a matter of timing. Try to do the quad shots (it will get easier believe it or not) the day of or the day after your leg day (assuming you do legs once a week). That will give you 5 -7 days for the pain to subside before you have to train legs again. Shoot delts and glutes around that quad/leg workout schedule.

Best of luck
-VC-

**Transend** · 03-23-2007, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by vicious cycle

I'm glad to see at least someone doesn't think I'm completely full of shit.

Now that you made the decision to go with the prop/tren you must rotate as much as you can. Scaring sucks. Yours is an even more difficult situation because, like you said, it's a minimum of 2cc (1 Prop/1 Tren) EOD.

I'm not saying that hitting the glutes won't hurt. It may very well hurt like hell; but it shouldn't stop you from doing legs. So for you now it's a matter of timing. Try to do the quad shots (it will get easier believe it or not) the day of or the day after your leg day (assuming you do legs once a week). That will give you 5 -7 days for the pain to subside before you have to train legs again. Shoot delts and glutes around that quad/leg workout schedule.

Best of luck
-VC-

Well im bringing it down to 2cc EOD. I remember you saying that your prop/tren is 100/100 and you hit 1cc EOD? I dont have that concentration split, Ill be using 1.25cc prop (100 mg/ml) and .75 tren (75 mg/ml). Ill shoot this eod till i finish cycle.

My problem with the shots and training isnt so much I cant get legs in during the workout week. Its more like I cant walk so i cant get into the gym. Im hoping the lower dosage (2cc instead of the 2.6cc ive been hitting for the first 2 weeks*) will help my muscles (quads and glutes) handle the oil better and lessen the pain.

*- the 2.6 cc's was due to my set dosage of 500mgs prop and 225mgs tren per week. First two weeks had 3 shot days which broke down to taking 1.6cc prop and 1cc tren