dbol/tbol

**kungfusam21** · 03-31-2007, 03:52 PM

hey guys 6'2 210lbs 12%bf. 3 years lifting 2 serious. bench max = 315lbs. deadlift max = 405lbs. this is my 2nd cycle.

My buddy ran a dbol and tbol cycle:

wk1-4 dbol 30mg ed tbol 60 mg ed 20 mg nolvadex ed
wk5-6 tbol 60 mg ed
wk7-8 tbol 80 mg ed
wk9 clomid therapy 100mg ed
wk10 clomid therapy 50mg ed
wk11 clomid therapy 50 mg ed

he got sum great results off this cycle. What do u guys think? Will I be able to retain any of the dbol muscle with this pct diet and training? I will also be using liverlonger to help from putting a bullett in my liver.

My diet is on point
4000 clean cals ed, 350-400g of protein ed (100g from shakes), 400 clean carbs ed.

workout 6 days a week
sun and wed = chest and tri's
mon and thurs = traps, shoulders and legs
tues and fri = back, bi's and forearms

**badER** · 03-31-2007, 05:11 PM

ouch! Tbol is actually pretty liver toxic... as is Dbol ... are you liverlong will really help that much?

Bloodwork has to be done if you are seriously considering this cycle.

**kfrost06** · 03-31-2007, 05:25 PM

I would pass on it. Not only are they liver toxic dbol gains are hard to keep and sides can be bad, water retention and gyno. I also recomend using test in any cycle, IMO.

**kungfusam21** · 03-31-2007, 09:54 PM

bump

**Seattle Junk** · 03-31-2007, 10:01 PM

Dbol and test, not dbol and tbol. You want to inject as it is much more safer on your liver. Orals should be used to jump start a proper injectable cycle. Remember C-17 orals like dbol and tbol have to pass the liver twice which causes liver stress. Most orals are alkylated at the 17th position of the carbon chain because the half life has to be extended so the drug can be effective in the blood stream long enough to give you the benefits.

It sounds like you are your buddy are afraid of needles?

**Manpretty** · 03-31-2007, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by badER

ouch! Tbol is actually pretty liver toxic... as is Dbol ... are you liverlong will really help that much?

Bloodwork has to be done if you are seriously considering this cycle.

is that true....how do you know this.....care to back up your statments????

no? didnt think you could......do research before giving advice

to the poster....IMO this cycle is sorta redundant tbol and dbol yeild similar gains........

you might want to look at tbol/var tbol/winny options

ive done a tbol winny and it worked well for me.......pm me for more oral options if you like......or hellmask has quite a bit of knowledge on the topic aswell

**Manpretty** · 03-31-2007, 10:08 PM

BTW how old are you?

**Seattle Junk** · 03-31-2007, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Manpretty

is that true....how do you know this.....care to back up your statments????

no? didnt think you could......do research before giving advice

to the poster....IMO this cycle is sorta redundant tbol and dbol yeild similar gains........

you might want to look at tbol/var tbol/winny options

ive done a tbol winny and it worked well for me.......pm me for more oral options if you like......or hellmask has quite a bit of knowledge on the topic aswell

Ohhhh, people just don't read. Epecially when the resources are on the same board and a few clicks away. Is it hard being ignorant or does it just come naturally?

Edumucation is good....

Anabolic Review Steroid Profile: Oral Turinabol (Chlordehydromethyltestosterone)

The easiest way to explain this drug is that it is a derivative of Dianabol . Though it is a derivative of our old friend Diana, it’s still quite different...remember, Equipoise is estrified Dianabol, and really has nothing in common with it, in terms of real-world-effects. Let’s examine OT in relation to D-bol for now, though. [b]The first similarity between the two is that they have both been 17-alpha-alkylated (a carbon atom was added at the 17th position) to survive the first pass through the liver. This, of course, increases hepatoxicity (liver toxicity).

**Selene** · 03-31-2007, 10:14 PM

tbol is a milder version of dbol

a good combination that I like it tbol with winstrol
so you may want to reconsider and perhaps dbol with winstrol
I will not touch dbol being a woman

tbol is not as toxic on the liver is is slightly stronger then anavar
very good tbol one of my favorites

good luck to you

**Seattle Junk** · 03-31-2007, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Selene

tbol is a milder version of dbol

a good combination that I like it tbol with winstrol
so you may want to reconsider and perhaps dbol with winstrol
I will not touch dbol being a woman

tbol is not as toxic on the liver is is slightly stronger then anavar
very good tbol one of my favorites

good luck to you

It makes no sense to take dbol and tbol together. Again, ORALS are mainly used to JUMP START a injectable cycle. Not the base of a proper cycle. Orals are to be used for 30-45 days max. Unless you have spare livers in your fridge then go ahead and run orals for 3-6 months at a time.

**Seattle Junk** · 03-31-2007, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Selene

tbol is a milder version of dbol

a good combination that I like it tbol with winstrol
so you may want to reconsider and perhaps dbol with winstrol
I will not touch dbol being a woman

tbol is not as toxic on the liver is is slightly stronger then anavar
very good tbol one of my favorites

good luck to you

It makes no sense to take dbol and tbol together. Again, ORALS are mainly used to JUMP START a injectable cycle. Not the base of a proper cycle. Orals are to be used for 30-45 days max. Unless you have spare livers in your fridge then go ahead and run orals for 3-6 months at a time.

**Seattle Junk** · 03-31-2007, 10:21 PM

I have no idea why that double posted? Sorry bout that....

**kungfusam21** · 04-01-2007, 11:59 AM

yo manpretty i cant PM yet, but Im 24. Also how would YOU run a winny/tbol cycle? Ive run winny b4 and liked it, that cycle might b better than the dbol /tbol my buddy did. holla at me man. thanx

**Manpretty** · 04-01-2007, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Seattle Junk

Ohhhh, people just don't read. Epecially when the resources are on the same board and a few clicks away. Is it hard being ignorant or does it just come naturally?

im not even sure what you are trying to say here???

and kung, i ran 50mged winny, 50mged tbol...for 6weeks
nice lean gains and some stregth....nothing too crazy....kept alot if not all of it

**daytrader** · 04-01-2007, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Manpretty

im not even sure what you are trying to say here???

and kung, i ran 50mged winny, 50mged tbol...for 6weeks
nice lean gains and some stregth....nothing too crazy....kept alot if not all of it

Yes, im not too sure why everyone says you need test or lose your gains.. Ofcourse test is optimal for ANY cycle.. HOWEVER, losing 100% of your gains if you dnt include it.. hmm sounds like parroting to me... But yes i ran a anavar only cycle.. Kept everything i gained.. Granted i didnt gain a whole lot.. but what was gained was kept.. including the vasularity