SHORT CYCLE with 19-nors???

**helium3** · 04-08-2007, 12:42 PM

for those who have done short cycles,is nandrolone or tren suitable.

is recovery on a short cycle with either of these two a real problem and should they be avoided?

thanks H3.

**helium3** · 04-08-2007, 12:44 PM

and by short i mean 4-5 weeks high dose.

**jagdpanther** · 04-08-2007, 01:24 PM

My shortest cycle to date has been 10 weeks. I did use NPP at low doses on that cycle for joint support and i much prefer it to deca for a nandrolone based steroid . It kicks in and leaves faster then deca.The phenylproprionate ester has a half life of 4.5 days.
I also think tren acetate would work well on a short cycle.

**Bigmax** · 04-08-2007, 01:26 PM

How short are you talking bro???...they all should be fast acting ofcourse.

**jaysunderstudy** · 04-08-2007, 04:06 PM

From all of my experience i've always known to run Deca for at least 10-12 weeks and increasing ur doseage will not necissarlily give u more results faster only more side effects. I've heard of people frontloading the first couple weeks and then goin from there at their normal weekly dose. Other than that I wouldn't use deca for a short time, unless like the other guy said use the NPP which would be better if u don't mind injecting more often. Tren is pretty good if u can counter the side effects but u have to shoot that everyday.

**helium3** · 04-09-2007, 06:44 AM

to be exact i was thinking of running npp at a high dose for 4-6 weeks.

iam just wondering if such a suppressive compound is useful as regards to recovery in a short cycle.

**king6** · 04-09-2007, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by helium3

to be exact i was thinking of running npp at a high dose for 4-6 weeks.

iam just wondering if such a suppressive compound is useful as regards to recovery in a short cycle.

I think a lot of it ***ends on your PCT, and how well your body recovers. I don't care for the short cycles at high doses, or the long cycles at low doses, I would rather stick to the medium. I plan to run tren in the summer for 8 weeks, which is usually the recomended time for tren ace.

**helium3** · 04-09-2007, 07:02 AM

i recovered well from test no problem but have reasons for not using it much.mainly i prefer to stay away from compounds that aromatise to dht or are dht derived(yeah i know the best kind).

ive just completed a deca only cycle which i was very pleased with,although the recovery has taken slightly longer than 5 weeks.

i respond very early on in cycles often not gaining anything after the end of week 6(if i frontload)even with deca.so a shorty might be a good idea for me.so i was wondering wether i could bounce back quickly from a npp or any 19-nor if used over a short period.

and no i wont be using deca in a short cycle.

**jagdpanther** · 04-09-2007, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by helium3

mainly i prefer to stay away from compounds that aromatise to dht or are dht derived(yeah i know the best kind).

hey helium3 , just a small note testosterone aromatizes to estrogen and reduces to DHT.

**helium3** · 04-09-2007, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by jagdpanther

hey helium3 , just a small note testosterone aromatizes to estrogen and reduces to DHT.

yeah im not one for fine details LOL.

**king6** · 04-09-2007, 07:19 AM

I think the best cycle would have one of each, test derived, DHT, and 19 nor. Such as prop, tren , masteron . My next cycle.

**helium3** · 04-09-2007, 08:43 AM

i was kinda hoping some one who has run these types of compounds in a short cycle would jump in.

**fLgAtOr** · 04-09-2007, 05:36 PM

It's tough to say... I ran Prop/tren to 9 weeks, and I want to go shorter next time. I know this isn't short per say, but I feel like I could of gained what I needed to in 6 wks.

This has been the easiest recovery so far, but I still didn't feel 100% until 4-5 wks after.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if I shorten it, recovery is certainly not going to be any MORE difficult.