why so many newbies......

**timtim** · 06-03-2007, 11:15 AM

using igf-lr3? and when i say newbie i mean anyone with less than 7 years of serious training and diet and the physique to show it both on and off cycle. these are super hardcore 7 year trainers. for the average, moderate to serious training i would say 10 to 12 years of training with diet in there for awhile but still the physique to show it both on and off cycle.

im just curious. its a very powerful drug and people who shouldnt even be looking at it are running the shit year round, 4 weeks on/4 weeks off like its a simple research chemical. a few top level guys at my gym just got into this and treat it very carefully. here it seems to be a given that its a simple cycle addition. i find that to be seriously ironic. these guys are running big cycles but nowhere near the guesses on here and 2 are going for their pro card at the end of the summer and take all the necessary precautions for all their gear. these guys i see as pro caliber physiques running this stuff (from legit sources not research sites) saying how it - igf - needs to be respected and the online community makes it sound like clenbuterol - ANOTHER DANGEROUS DRUG THAT PEOPLE TAKE VERY LIGHTLY.

just curious why.

**bpm1** · 06-03-2007, 11:19 AM

because ignorance is bliss

**timtim** · 06-03-2007, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by bpm1

because ignorance is bliss

nice. point made in 2 sentences or less.

**bpm1** · 06-03-2007, 11:22 AM

honestly i think alot of guys use things including clen that are very powerful and can have severe sides ,maybee even long term, and they are very cavalier and dont respect the serious nature of what they are doing.

**timtim** · 06-03-2007, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by bpm1

honestly i think alot of guys use things including clen that are very powerful and can have severe sides ,maybee even long term, and they are very cavalier and dont respect the serious nature of what they are doing.

very true. i find it funny when top level guys say things like dnp , slin, clen , igf, gh are serious and they want to be careful and then others talk about their 5th or 6th dnp cycle and what not.

think about that, 6 cycles of dnp running anywhere from a month to 2 at a time. really makes yourself vulnerable to issues later in life in my opinion. and for what?

***perfectbeast2001*** · 06-03-2007, 11:54 AM

I would have to agree with you, and I am one of those guys who has used various compounds. To be honest i go in with my eyes wide open. I know that i am taking a risk and i do my best to offset risk by educating myself about correct usage. i.e. using the various neccesary ancillaries with DNP ect...
I do see a lot of ppl jumping on the bandwagon but neglecting to have any real knowledge about what they are taking and how to take it as safely as possible. This is just plain dumb. Educate before you medicate PPL!

Most of the people in my area who are around my age drink,smoke,eat crap, take rec drugs, I do not, My only vice is BB. So i guess this is how i justify my use of peptides,as,and other compounds.