No time to train

**turk182** · 07-08-2007, 03:04 PM

Hi guys, I want to get serious in to body building, my problem is I work 6 days a week and sometimes up to 14 hours a day, and at this rate it's taking me ages to get any gains. I really want to do a cycle of dronabol to give me a jump start. I know I'm going to get a lot of advice advising me against it but I have made my mind up on it. the thing is though i would really appreciate some advice from people in the know. mostly on dosages - i was thinking of 30mg a day but would this show any gains, and with the amount of time i can devote to training (probably about 30 minutes a day) is 30mg too much. any help would be great, thanks all.

**Atomini** · 07-08-2007, 03:08 PM

What the hell is dronabol? I've never even heard of that. Is it a designer steroid ?

EDIT: NEvermind, I found out its a brand name for Dianabol .

Anyways... most of us here will tell you if youve made up your mind to do a cycle anyways, don't do oral-only as your first cycle.

Oh, and you can go ahead and do whatever you want, but you will just be wasting your money. If you don't have the time to put in proper training, and do proper nutrition... you will just waste your money. You will see zero results. You must have training and nutrition down pat before you do cycles if you want to see results. Steroids don't do the work for you - all they are is an assistance. Steroids do not create, they only enhance.

If your training is shit, your results on steroids will be shit.

**Kratos** · 07-08-2007, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Atomini

What the hell is dronabol? I've never even heard of that. Is it a designer steroid?

It's just d-bol, anyway, what I got outa the guys post is "I want to get serious into body building,"..."blah, blah, blah...I'm a busy guy," ...
"I'm just going to pop some pills instead,"..."don't know what I'm doing and don't care what you have to say, except just tell me how to take these pills."

**Atomini** · 07-08-2007, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Kratos

It's just d-bol, anyway, what I got outa the guys post is "I want to get serious into body building,"..."blah, blah, blah...I'm a busy guy," ...
"I'm just going to pop some pills instead,"..."don't know what I'm doing and don't care what you have to say, except just tell me how to take these pills."

Yeah that's exactly what I got out of his post as well.

If he REALLY wants to "get serious into body building", it doesn't matter if he works 48920 hours a week nonstop, he will make time. And that's what many of us do. If you can't do that, then steroids won't do shit for you. There are no shortcuts.

**Atomini** · 07-08-2007, 03:19 PM

Oh, and buddy... 30 mins a day is all you need to grow. Time put in the gym does not equal the results you will get. Amount of training isn't proportionate to the results.

I do a Dorian Yates style HIT routine with 1-3 hard working sets per bodypart, and each session in the gym lasts me 20-40 mins. I train in the gym 4 times a week with this, and I make astonishing results this way.

You don't need to be spending hours upon hours in the gym to see results...

**rx8rone** · 07-08-2007, 03:23 PM

this sounds like a friend of mine who decided he wanted to start body building but said he had no time to work out and started taking deca and now is gaining fat and looking chunky. smart kid right? i told him to just eat right and find time to work out but never listened.

**turk182** · 07-08-2007, 03:26 PM

Ha ha, thanks for the reply guys. I'm devoting as much time as I can to training monday to saturday, and i usually do 3 hours on a sunday, the reason for the cycle is simple, the results i'm seeing at the moment i'm not happy with, i've upped my nutrition, and i've forked out a s#@t load of cash on protien shakes etc. i'm just going to try the cycle to hopefully speed up the results i'm getting. anyway sorry i put my message across wrong, i was just asking for advice. cheers.

**Atomini** · 07-08-2007, 03:28 PM

What's your training history and stats? Because if you don't have proper history and/or stats... your little 'speeding up the results' is going to be very short lived.... as in, you will just lose everything you gained when you come off.

Do you have a PCT planned?
How long is your cycle going to last?

It doesn't sound like you've planned this out very well...

**Brent_G** · 07-08-2007, 03:28 PM

i Work long hours in contruction i get one break a day. I still maintain almost 4000 calories a day and i find time for the gym 5 days a week. Just gotta tell yourself you are going to do it.

Either make time in the am before work. Pack all your food the night before. Or just forget bout it.

Then im guessing when you do get a day off.. you go and get drunk as a "reward" to yourself.

Its not as hard as you think...just have to change your lifestyle and say you are going to do it. we cant tell you what to do . You gotta find time yourself and make it happen!

**turk182** · 07-08-2007, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Atomini

Oh, and buddy... 30 mins a day is all you need to grow. Time put in the gym does not equal the results you will get. Amount of training isn't proportionate to the results.

I do a Dorian Yates style HIT routine with 1-3 hard working sets per bodypart, and each session in the gym lasts me 20-40 mins. I train in the gym 4 times a week with this, and I make astonishing results this way.

You don't need to be spending hours upon hours in the gym to see results...

At the moment i've split my workouts in to three daily sessions which i alternate daily, but on sunday i just have a 'free for all' day, and also fit in some cardio too.

**turk182** · 07-08-2007, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Atomini

What's your training history and stats? Because if you don't have proper history and/or stats... your little 'speeding up the results' is going to be very short lived.... as in, you will just lose everything you gained when you come off.

Do you have a PCT planned?
How long is your cycle going to last?

It doesn't sound like you've planned this out very well...

No your right, the reason is I don't know too much about it, If i try it once and it doesn't work i'll probably not worry about it and carry on without next time. i was thinking of 6 weeks on and if the result for good then back on for another 6 after 6 weeks or so.
i havn't started taking yet, so as far as pct goes i'm up for suggestions.

**Kratos** · 07-08-2007, 03:39 PM

what are you trying to acheive, what would be good results in your mind?
where are you now height, weight, bf%? and where do you want to go?

**turk182** · 07-08-2007, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Kratos

what are you trying to acheive, what would be good results in your mind?
where are you now height, weight, bf%? and where do you want to go?

15% body fat, i'm 5'8'' and 13stone, my goal eventually would be to gain another stone and a half, 2 max.

**DHew** · 07-08-2007, 03:47 PM

how much is a stone? I never got that.

**turk182** · 07-08-2007, 03:49 PM

shit sorry mate, a stone is 14 lbs

**Kratos** · 07-08-2007, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Atomini

Oh, and buddy... 30 mins a day is all you need to grow. Time put in the gym does not equal the results you will get. Amount of training isn't proportionate to the results.

I do a Dorian Yates style HIT routine with 1-3 hard working sets per bodypart, and each session in the gym lasts me 20-40 mins. I train in the gym 4 times a week with this, and I make astonishing results this way.
You don't need to be spending hours upon hours in the gym to see results...

#1. look into this method of training, your workout routine sounds haphazard at best, don't be afraid to get a personal trainer to walk you through how to properly work all the parts of the body.

#2. Spend time in the diet forum, you will be amazed at the results you will get from eating the propper foods at the right intervals.

#3. Forget a d-bol only cycle when you are ready for steroids . Poor choice.

**number8** · 07-08-2007, 04:00 PM

dont do it! my training partner did a dbol only cycle as his first cycle after he trained natural for 4 or 5 years. 50mg a day for 6 weeks his gains were amazing evryone was telling him how good he was looking2! he used triblus as his pct and lost every thing he gained lost his appite and his motavation lost all the strength he gained, devloped bad acne and with everyone telling him how much weight he lost. he even stoped training for a year soon after

**turk182** · 07-08-2007, 04:03 PM

Cheers for your help guys, i'll try the diet forum first and search the faq's here, i will still do the cycle but i'll work on the diet first. what would you recommend for pct, or even to supplement the dianabol ?

**Sir Lifts-a-lot** · 07-08-2007, 04:19 PM

holy crap... LISTEN to us, don't be foolish and do this!!!! This is your first cycle and you have fresh receptors. You could make it great with minimal gear (a test w some var possibly) or you can shit the bed and do this dbol only cycle. Hell save the d's and get some test e if you want the dbols that bad, but don't be a foolish person and do this.

I don't want to sound like an asshole but it is things like this that give steroids a bad name. You hear about dbol and how huge it makes you in some FLEX magazine add in the back pages and now you stumbled on a site, found a source and are gonna do a stupid ass cycle. Thanks for fueling the prejudice against us!!!

Sorry for venting but on a daily basis there is somone else who wants validation to do a stupid cycle.

**turk182** · 07-08-2007, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Sir Lifts-a-lot

holy crap... LISTEN to us, don't be foolish and do this!!!! This is your first cycle and you have fresh receptors. You could make it great with minimal gear (a test w some var possibly) or you can shit the bed and do this dbol only cycle. Hell save the d's and get some test e if you want the dbols that bad, but don't be a foolish person and do this.

I don't want to sound like an asshole but it is things like this that give steroids a bad name. You hear about dbol and how huge it makes you in some FLEX magazine add in the back pages and now you stumbled on a site, found a source and are gonna do a stupid ass cycle. Thanks for fueling the prejudice against us!!!

Sorry for venting but on a daily basis there is somone else who wants validation to do a stupid cycle.

''(a test w some var possibly)''???

**Sir Lifts-a-lot** · 07-08-2007, 04:25 PM

a testosterone with some anavar instead of dbol

**Sir Lifts-a-lot** · 07-08-2007, 04:25 PM

^^^ It's a little pricey, but light on the system and great results.

**turk182** · 07-08-2007, 04:29 PM

sorry to be asking stupid q's guys but i clicked on testosterone and got a page for Primoteston, is this what was meant? what would the differences be between this / these and dbol ?

**Sir Lifts-a-lot** · 07-08-2007, 04:34 PM

holy christ. There are five tyoes of testosterones out there enthanat, cypionate , propinate, sustan, and suspension. (I think I spelled all of them wrong). Any of these are tremendous for a first cycle. **** the dbol . If you want to put on huge size add it on top of the test, but it will hurt your liver. That's why I say for a first cycle go with a test and var.

**turk182** · 07-08-2007, 04:39 PM

sounds like decent advice Sir Lifts-a-lot i'll look more into it. Thanks

**Atomini** · 07-08-2007, 04:49 PM

Turk, you better stick around and do AT LEAST about 5 months' worth of research and reading on here before you just jump into anything...

Basic testosterone is VERY cheap to get. It's not expensive at all. You could probably make excellent gains on 250mg a week of testosterone cypionate or enanthate . You don't even have a PCT planned or anything, and you are ready to jump into this immediately. That's not smart thinking... and people wonder why steroids get a bad reputation!!!

Stick around, do lots of reading, and I would highly reccomend a Mike Mentzer or Dorian Yates HIT routine if you don't have alot of time on your hands to get to the gym.

Steroids are NOT shortcuts, they are NOT quick fixes. They are only there to assist you.

"Steroids are icing on the cake, and you don't have any cake" - I forgot who said that, but it was someone on this forum.

**domeyeahaigh** · 07-08-2007, 04:52 PM

this is an inspiring thread, I like seeing what sacrifices everyone makes to get their lifts in, I am not a bodybuilder and do not plan on being one but I do make time for the gym and it is extremely important to me..

**turk182** · 07-08-2007, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Atomini

Turk, you better stick around and do AT LEAST about 5 months' worth of research and reading on here before you just jump into anything...

Basic testosterone is VERY cheap to get. It's not expensive at all. You could probably make excellent gains on 250mg a week of testosterone cypionate or enanthate . You don't even have a PCT planned or anything, and you are ready to jump into this immediately. That's not smart thinking... and people wonder why steroids get a bad reputation!!!

Stick around, do lots of reading, and I would highly reccomend a Mike Mentzer or Dorian Yates HIT routine if you don't have alot of time on your hands to get to the gym.

Steroids are NOT shortcuts, they are NOT quick fixes. They are only there to assist you.

"Steroids are icing on the cake, and you don't have any cake" - I forgot who said that, but it was someone on this forum.

Holy sht, never heard of dorian yates before, but after searching his name, it looks like his gym is 10 minutes from my house, i'm gonna email him and see how it goes. cheers, could be what i need.

**JackBauer** · 07-08-2007, 06:46 PM

hey sir-lifts-a lot i read a number of people use dbol to kind of front load or speed up the process for a longer release like test e and see faster results.... ive seen amazing things of people on var only cycles... anyone know the window of when you "feel" i.e pumps on var?