Equipoise Vs Testosterone

**DavidYork2** · 07-29-2007, 06:17 AM

After reading up on EQ it seems like quite an effective substance. Would it be advisable to use EQ in a cycle rather than test in order to cut down on acne, water retention and all those other annoying side effects?

**Apex** · 07-29-2007, 06:27 AM

NO.............in my experience, test is ALWAYS the primary aas - anything else added to the cycle comes 2nd. TEST is always BEST.

**Apex** · 07-29-2007, 06:33 AM

I'm in my 2nd cycle Bud:

Tcyp - 1500 mg/WK
Deca - 600 mg/WK

I'm in wk 12 with NO sides........this comes after careful preparation:

fina - 1mg /ED - protects against prostate sides
Letro-.50mg/ED - prevents gyno, and other test sides

Keep in mind, BF & genetic pre-disposition plays a part to potential sides as well.

I have also added Bromocriptin and Proviron to aid against deca and test sides.

For acne, your diet will play a big part, scrubbing your back with a brush and dawn dish soap has worked well for me. Hope this helps you.

Apex

**unclemoney** · 07-29-2007, 07:59 AM

I'm in week one of my test-e 600mg/wk and deca 400mg/wk (also dbol 30mg/ed) and I'm frontloading... F'n love it!!!

But yeah test is always the basic, I would never run anything without it.

**buffgator** · 07-29-2007, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Apex

I'm in my 2nd cycle Bud:

Tcyp - 1500 mg/WK
Deca - 600 mg/WK

I'm in wk 12 with NO sides........this comes after careful preparation:

fina - 1mg /ED - protects against prostate sides
Letro-.50mg/ED - prevents gyno, and other test sides

Keep in mind, BF & genetic pre-disposition plays a part to potential sides as well.

I have also added Bromocriptin and Proviron to aid against deca and test sides.

For acne, your diet will play a big part, scrubbing your back with a brush and dawn dish soap has worked well for me. Hope this helps you.

Apex

You dont need that much testosterone especialy in your second cycle.

**rabidsquirrel** · 07-29-2007, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Apex

I'm in my 2nd cycle Bud:

Tcyp - 1500 mg/WK
Deca - 600 mg/WK

I'm in wk 12 with NO sides........this comes after careful preparation:

fina - 1mg /ED - protects against prostate sides
Letro-.50mg/ED - prevents gyno, and other test sides

Keep in mind, BF & genetic pre-disposition plays a part to potential sides as well.

I have also added Bromocriptin and Proviron to aid against deca and test sides.

For acne, your diet will play a big part, scrubbing your back with a brush and dawn dish soap has worked well for me. Hope this helps you.

Apex

damn thats alot of test for a second cycle

**buffgator** · 07-29-2007, 10:13 AM

as for comparing eq and test. Eq will give you muscle hardness and vascularity...and thats about it. Testosterone is always KING

**frenchy** · 07-29-2007, 10:21 AM

apex do half the test and add tren acetate

**passthetest** · 07-29-2007, 10:27 AM

1.5 gs of test... why? thats pretty badass you can keep ur sides down with taking that much how old are?

**IFR** · 07-29-2007, 10:46 AM

I weigh 300 in the off season and I use one gram a week of test and 400 deca . I to was considering making the switch to EQ.

**buffgator** · 07-29-2007, 12:42 PM

Sorry to get mad. But there are so many newbies always on this site and they dont need to get the idea that 1500mg a week is necessary. If you feel thats best for you more power to you, but atleast dont post it because some young kid will follow your lead and really mess himself up, and burn up his fresh receptors giving him very poor results quickly down the road, and very negative sides.

**BuffDJ** · 07-29-2007, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by buffgator

as for comparing eq and test. Eq will give you muscle hardness and vascularity...and thats about it. Testosterone is always KING

I agree that test is the base of must cycles. But having used both products with great results each has it's place. I cut up much better with eq then test and of course I bulk better with test the eq. So both do have there place. Just depends on your goals.
Buff

**Booz** · 07-29-2007, 03:47 PM

calm down ''bud'' he was only trying to give his opinion and wasnt coming across as an ass......................

**Booz** · 07-29-2007, 03:49 PM

while i love EQ for its muscle hardness and vascularity it is a relativly imo mild compound and not for mass....................
if you want mass stick to deca ................

**football2007** · 07-31-2007, 05:34 PM

using EQ without test would seem fine IMO

It's a test derivitive anyway. It is so mild and there are not many sexual sides (or much sides AT ALL much less) to speak of.

**spooledup** · 07-31-2007, 05:47 PM

Yes, it's fine depending on your goals.

In my case I didn't want much mass (5-10lbs) and wanted to just lean up, round out, and get some vascularity. Worked great. I used some stan with it and gained 17lbs on my second cycle. So I got more than I was after actually.

Only side effect for me is high BP.

Recovered quickly as well.

14wks 400mg/wk
stan last 4 weeks 50mg/day

nolva PCT.

**ShadetreeJones** · 07-31-2007, 09:30 PM

That's a very interesting point. I would consider doing an eq/primo or eq/masteron cycle if I wasn't terribly concerned with getting giant and just wanted to shape and strengthen up a bit.

**crazyhorse666** · 08-01-2007, 01:29 AM

as far as I no you would be alot better of keeping some sort of test in the cycle, eq dosent really do alot other that give you a appitite raise RBC and and gives very lean gains.

**Kratos** · 08-01-2007, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by DavidYork2

After reading up on EQ it seems like quite an effective substance. Would it be advisable to use EQ in a cycle rather than test in order to cut down on acne, water retention and all those other annoying side effects?

No, you will still get acne, water retention and all those other annoying side effects. EQ is really weak stuff, and trying to draw a comparison to testosterone , they don't compare. Although it is not super suppressive on the HTPA, stacking additional compounds on top of it will have a cumulative effect on suppression so you are stuck with EQ only at a moderate dose. Waste of time.

**Giants11** · 08-01-2007, 09:50 AM

An EQ only cycle would be more suitable for an athlete. Trying to increase endurance while packing on a few solid pounds, if that. So yeah adding test would make a nice cycle.

I am an huge fan of EQ for a few reasons.
- Little to no sides
- Major Appetite Increase
- Excellent Vascularity
- Good muscle hardness

Plus it's very painless even at higher concentrations like 300mg/ml. So it's always a good compound to inject a more painful one with. There are def some good reasons to use EQ. However when trying to gain mass the increase in appetite helps out a ton.

**got fina?** · 08-01-2007, 11:07 AM

Why the hell would anybody take 1500mg test for a second cycle. I gained 42lbs in 3 months on 100mg on my first cycle. Sorry guys i just think thats NUTS!!!!

**PEWN** · 08-01-2007, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Giants11

An EQ only cycle would be more suitable for an athlete. Trying to increase endurance while packing on a few solid pounds, if that. So yeah adding test would make a nice cycle.

I am an huge fan of EQ for a few reasons.
- Little to no sides
- Major Appetite Increase
- Excellent Vascularity
- Good muscle hardness

Plus it's very painless even at higher concentrations like 300mg/ml. So it's always a good compound to inject a more painful one with. There are def some good reasons to use EQ. However when trying to gain mass the increase in appetite helps out a ton.

i second this ... good write up...

**Stock** · 08-01-2007, 11:19 AM

IMO, eq alone it's the equivalent of pissing on a forest fire. If you already know how to eat and workout, you can gain 5lbs naturally. Stack it with a mild dose of test 250-300mg/wk, and you will do great...

**RBD85** · 08-01-2007, 12:18 PM

Way to much test bro 750mg/week at most for 2nd cycle!

**spooledup** · 08-01-2007, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Stock

IMO, eq alone it's the equivalent of pissing on a forest fire. If you already know how to eat and workout, you can gain 5lbs naturally. Stack it with a mild dose of test 250-300mg/wk, and you will do great...

If you're at your natural genetic peak 5lbs of muscle is VERY hard to come by.

**ShadetreeJones** · 08-02-2007, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by Giants11

An EQ only cycle would be more suitable for an athlete. Trying to increase endurance while packing on a few solid pounds, if that. So yeah adding test would make a nice cycle.

I am an huge fan of EQ for a few reasons.
- Little to no sides
- Major Appetite Increase
- Excellent Vascularity
- Good muscle hardness

Plus it's very painless even at higher concentrations like 300mg/ml. So it's always a good compound to inject a more painful one with. There are def some good reasons to use EQ. However when trying to gain mass the increase in appetite helps out a ton.

It's funny to have two so different views on eq one right after the other. One hates it the other loves it.

I'll be running it the next cycle with test e and probably masteron . Just finishing up a Sust/Deca cycle so I'm anxious to give something else a try. No complaints with Deca as the 2nd compound but I've heard very good things about eq also.

**Stock** · 08-02-2007, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by spooledup

If you're at your natural genetic peak 5lbs of muscle is VERY hard to come by.

True, but how many are really at that point? Maybe <.01%, if that?

I assumed from the original poster that he was a newbie by the way he asked this question, and if so, he would be far from his genetic peak.

BTW, I like eq, but I would not run it by itself. I would stack it with test.

**Ejuicer** · 08-02-2007, 09:43 AM

I've used eq in the past on it's own during cutting and had decent results with it as far as maintaining muscle and hardening up . I wouldn't rely on it to put on large amounts of mass by itself though. As far as usage on it's own I personally like to run test with almost every cycle I run. There's no replacement for it.

**redrocket86** · 08-02-2007, 10:01 AM

does duta work with eq?

**nyjetsfan86** · 08-02-2007, 10:08 AM

test is king of mass but like everyone else said already eq qill give you muscle harndess, vascularity, and appetite increase. why not stack the 2 thats what im doing. 600mg test e and eq per week just did my 4th injection this morning

**domeyeahaigh** · 08-02-2007, 10:48 AM

nyjets.....same exact cycle but i frontloaded the test and eq at about 1 g/test and 1.2g eq

**nyjetsfan86** · 08-02-2007, 10:55 AM

nice how did it work out for you, im doing 600mg of each for about 12 weeks

**magic32** · 08-02-2007, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Apex

I'm in my 2nd cycle Bud:
Tcyp - 1500 mg/WK
Deca - 600 mg/WK
Apex

This is more than what one would use to frontload a 2nd cycle.
It's too much for virtually any cycle number, and making jumps that severe will weaken long term potential.

**tadpoleboyy** · 08-02-2007, 07:51 PM

im doing my first injectable cycle, 600/wk eq, 250/wk testc, and i have to say, eq is amazing, i cant stop eating. Literally i can eat a whole meal and then some, which would have stuffed me pre cycle, and then be like , "shit, im starving still." Im running it with HRT test just cuz its mild, but ive gained 20 lbs and am only about 5- 6 weeks in.

My logic is that my natural test will be suppressed eventually by the eq, so why trade a weaker compound for your natural test levels? That is why i am doing hrt doses. So far, im not experiencing acne any more than normal, not much water weight at all and no real sides. You may get sides if you run EQ alone. So, i would suggest you run hrt dose of test. But then again, this is my first real cycle...

i kinda wish i did 500/wk test tho...