sex drive very low even on 1g test

[G-Force]

ive been cycling for 3 years now

i remember my first cycle i was horny as hell and didnt have much trouble in pct either

nowadays sex for me in pct in a big NO altogether

and even on cycle it can be hit or miss
i ran 12 weeks on 12 off for the first two year, then 4 on 4 off - nowadays its more like 8 weeks on 5 weeks off

i dont find viagra or cialis work and have even just started using dostinex with no noticeable affect

i fear that i may gradually killing my sex drive till i am completely impotant -

is it time for me to come off gear altogether (really dont want to do this)

or is there a magic pill out there that can help me?

[Big]

have you had blood work done?

[goose]

If this is the case your on most of the time, why not just cruise for 4-6wks between cycles at a replacement dose of test. You won't recover from 4wks PCT when running Tren ,drol etc, which you have ran,your system is just going to rollercoaster and more than likely leave you with unhealthy bloodlevels.Doing 4 weeks on then 4 weeks off is just bad news,your going to do some damage.

Did you have BW done to access this?

[G-Force]

i havent had BW done for a year

last time i was fine but that was after i had been off for 12 weeks

i am really going to try hard to stay off for as long as i can this time

(which will probably be only 6 weeks knowing me)

i know 8 weeks on 4 off is extreme but its nothing like a pro cycle - i wonder if they have trouble in the trouser department?

[Merc..]

Sounds like it could be an estrogen or progest problem. Test can lower t-3 and in turn raise progest which can kill sex drive and estrogen can also kill sex drive .. Bloodwork will at least let you know where your at!!

[hugovsilva]

BW is the way to go. And you don't need to come off altogether, just give your body a few months to recover. Hopefully it will come back to normal.
But again, bw should show you how to proceed.

[ironaddict69]

dostinex takes a while to work (at least a week) what compounds are you running right now? id get BW done.

[vitor]

Imo all androgens will affect those nerve cells responsable for erectile function to some degree and tolerance will build up as far as libido goes. After a while the high androgens/DHT will not increase libido anymore(yust maintain it, as long as progesterone/prolactin and estrogen leves are in normal ranges), but after your body gets used to it(high androgens), low hormone levels(as in pct) and libido will be down and will not get a chance to adyust since you get back on so quickly...

G-man why not try to go clean from all AAS for a while, and yust try to hold the muscle mass you have right now with GH/IGF...Things will get back to normal...

[RA]

Sounds like it could be an estrogen or progest problem. Test can lower t-3 and in turn raise progest which can kill sex drive and estrogen can also kill sex drive .. Bloodwork will at least let you know where your at!!

Agreed

[Giants11]

BTW, Good to see you around again G-Force.

[PEWN]

hmm... i am curious about blood work also... keep us posted... i am going to search and look into this...

[ironaddict69]

Imo all androgens will affect those nerve cells responsable for erectile function to some degree and tolerance will build up as far as libido goes. After a while the high androgens/DHT will not increase libido anymore(yust maintain it, as long as progesterone/prolactin and estrogen leves are in normal ranges), but after your body gets used to it(high androgens), low hormone levels(as in pct) and libido will be down and will not get a chance to adyust since you get back on so quickly...

G-man why not try to go clean from all AAS for a while, and yust try to hold the muscle mass you have right now with GH/IGF...Things will get back to normal...

wow what a good idea, im kind asuprised noone came up with that yet.
Ok dude, why not hit anthony roberts pct, and do a pretty hefty amount of IGF and GH? or JUST igf?

[RA]

I just dont think its that complicated. He should get a hold of some caber take it a couple weeks then tell me hes not trying to screw the neighbors dog.

wow what a good idea, im kind asuprised noone came up with that yet.
Ok dude, why not hit anthony roberts pct, and do a pretty hefty amount of IGF and GH? or JUST igf?

[Merc..]

BINGO lol!!!!!!

I just dont think its that complicated. He should get a hold of some caber take it a couple weeks then tell me hes not trying to screw the neighbors dog.

[Merc..]

Hitting his neighbors dog BINGO !! I am bored today !! Sorry for the bad humor lol!!!

[ironaddict69]

I just dont think its that complicated. He should get a hold of some caber take it a couple weeks then tell me hes not trying to screw the neighbors dog.

Id have to agree once again. I just started bromo today cuz caber made me sick as ****, im starting slow 1/2 of a 2.5 mg tab morning and night, i think im ALREADY a little hornier.

[G-Force]

no i havent had my bloods done in a while

i am comming off a haeavy 12 weeks cycle this week so will get them done when all the gear has cleared

what is CABER?????



i have cabaser (dostinex) is that the same thing cos i am taking 1mg twice a week and it isnt working that well

ps. Cheers Giantz - i know i have been away for too long

[got fina?]

Yeah i think your method of taking juice is not the smartest. I would prefer 12 weeks on, 12 weeks off. If your doing 4weeks on, 4 weeks off then your really never coming off since fake test is still in your system and natural production hasnt even started yet.

If thats u in the pic the u look great and could afford to come off for a while to visit the doc.
I would jump off for 8 weeks let the body get to trying to produce normal levels again, and go see what the blood shows..

Im also thinking that running it for that long just cant keep working the way it once did. U need a break....

good luck...

[mrjingalang]

I would definetly get blood work done and in the mean time grab some cialis

[Indymuscleguy]

Yea, what is CABER?

[RA]

Cabergoline/dostinex/cabaser...

Sorry that I missed that you just started it. It has a cumulative effect so give it some time to work.

[G-Force]

Cabergoline/dostinex/cabaser...

Sorry that I missed that you just started it. It has a cumulative effect so give it some time to work.

well ive been taking it for about 3 weeks now

i have noticed a little something but really no where near as much as i hoped

[G-Force]

Yeah i think your method of taking juice is not the smartest. I would prefer 12 weeks on, 12 weeks off. If your doing 4weeks on, 4 weeks off then your really never coming off since fake test is still in your system and natural production hasnt even started yet.

If thats u in the pic the u look great and could afford to come off for a while to visit the doc.
I would jump off for 8 weeks let the body get to trying to produce normal levels again, and go see what the blood shows..

Im also thinking that running it for that long just cant keep working the way it once did. U need a break....

good luck...

i liked 4 on and 4 off for several reasons

1. i didnt get any side effects in this short time - no spots or sweats which i get on 8 weeks plus

2. u only have to wait 4 weeks to go back on and not 12 (which kills me)

3. most of my results tend to come in the first 4 weeks anyway


i started doin this 6 months ago after reading some of murcus2000's threads

although i believe he advixed 4 weeks on 4 weeks PCT then a further 4 weeks off


and yes thats me in the pic at around 200lbs

am 215lbs right now

[ironaddict69]

if uve been on for 3 weeks and see nothing, either raise the dose or see where your estrogen is at, that could be it.

[S431M7]

ive been cycling for 3 years now

i remember my first cycle i was horny as hell and didnt have much trouble in pct either

nowadays sex for me in pct in a big NO altogether

and even on cycle it can be hit or miss
i ran 12 weeks on 12 off for the first two year, then 4 on 4 off - nowadays its more like 8 weeks on 5 weeks off

i dont find viagra or cialis work and have even just started using dostinex with no noticeable affect

i fear that i may gradually killing my sex drive till i am completely impotant -

is it time for me to come off gear altogether (really dont want to do this)

or is there a magic pill out there that can help me?

How's your balls size, do u feel it has shrung over the past months? It appears like u experiencing testicular atrophy. If so, consider some HCG cycle for 2 to 4 wks.

[G-Force]

How's your balls size, do u feel it has shrung over the past months? It appears like u experiencing testicular atrophy. If so, consider some HCG cycle for 2 to 4 wks.

no my ball size is never affected on or off cycle
they always stay the same

yeah would love some hcg but having trouble finding it

doesnt help that i spilt my last batch

[RA]

Well, I would never cycle this way. It doesnt seem that your allowing your body to recover. I would either do a hrt dose in between or take more time off.

i liked 4 on and 4 off for several reasons

1. i didnt get any side effects in this short time - no spots or sweats which i get on 8 weeks plus

2. u only have to wait 4 weeks to go back on and not 12 (which kills me)

3. most of my results tend to come in the first 4 weeks anyway


i started doin this 6 months ago after reading some of murcus2000's threads

although i believe he advixed 4 weeks on 4 weeks PCT then a further 4 weeks off


and yes thats me in the pic at around 200lbs

am 215lbs right now

[domeyeahaigh]

could it be respiratory? heart problems could do that...

[Lexed]

has this affected your porn career?

[NightWolf]

Why is everybody blaming the 4 ON 4 OFF?? he said that he has been cycling for 3 years, 2 of those years was 12 ON 12 OFF, then he did some 4 ON 4 OFF. AND nowdays he does 8 on 4 off <---- if anything i would say the last option is the wrong one... so in 1 year he did BOTH 4on/4off and 8on/4off and yet some of you come in here and try to blame it on the short 4 week cycle??

[spicyer]

dostinex should make you a porn star if your not already. I started 1 mg per week 3 weeks ago and last night the "eruption" was like a bukkake video, but with one guy. I really think you need to give this a chance.

[ironaddict69]

dostinex should make you a porn star if your not already. I started 1 mg per week 3 weeks ago and last night the "eruption" was like a bukkake video, but with one guy. I really think you need to give this a chance.

bromo work the same way?

[yahya1966]

libido could be effected by a number of things besides sex hormones. stress and depression are notorious for killing libido.

[RA]

Some people also have problems on higher amounts of test. Maybe 1g is causing it.

[sorel_C]

nolva, hcg , and dostinex, seemed to completly bring me back and beyound, i now have to acually take a workshop class on how to control my boners,, its sporatic!! with the nlova it was at 20mgs when it really did something.. have been off this protocol for about 1 month and everything is still just as good, except loads ar't as big

side question. how you dealing with the porn business if you got this issue?

[Merc..]

nolva, hcg , and dostinex, seemed to completly bring me back and beyound, i now have to acually take a workshop class on how to control my boners,, its sporatic!! with the nlova it was at 20mgs when it really did something.. have been off this protocol for about 1 month and everything is still just as good, except loads ar't as big

side question. how you dealing with the porn business if you got this issue?

How did you use the HCG ???

[ludakris9]

ive been cycling for 3 years now

i remember my first cycle i was horny as hell and didnt have much trouble in pct either

nowadays sex for me in pct in a big NO altogether

and even on cycle it can be hit or miss
i ran 12 weeks on 12 off for the first two year, then 4 on 4 off - nowadays its more like 8 weeks on 5 weeks off

i dont find viagra or cialis work and have even just started using dostinex with no noticeable affect

i fear that i may gradually killing my sex drive till i am completely impotant -

is it time for me to come off gear altogether (really dont want to do this)

or is there a magic pill out there that can help me?

What are you using for pct? What cycle are you running now?

[Merc..]

Some people also have problems on higher amounts of test. Maybe 1g is causing it.

Was also thinking the same thing.. Try a lower dose of test.. People that have been around the board for awhile will remember Pinnical. He discussed this issue ALOT ( if you like you can search for some of his old post on this subject).. He always said that when he was cruising on a low dose he sex drive was much higher than when using higher doses..

[NewVader]

Why is everybody blaming the 4 ON 4 OFF?? he said that he has been cycling for 3 years, 2 of those years was 12 ON 12 OFF, then he did some 4 ON 4 OFF. AND nowdays he does 8 on 4 off <---- if anything i would say the last option is the wrong one... so in 1 year he did BOTH 4on/4off and 8on/4off and yet some of you come in here and try to blame it on the short 4 week cycle??

4 weeks is not even enough for long esters to clear, let alone recover...Many people don't realize that if you are doing 600mg of eq/week you will have supraphysiological hormone levels (= still shut down) for about 7-8 weeks after last shot (just take the 16 days half life and do the math after a buildup of a few weeks or go to www.bulkmuscle.com)
so basically doing 12 on 12 off he is off only for 4-6 weeks, and doing 4 on 4 off he is never off, unless its only short esters...

this still does not provide an explanation for why he has no sex drive on 1 g test/week, there must be some other problem associated with that...

[Merc..]

More test can = more estrogen which can = zero sex drive!! When using a gram of test EW there is more test to convert to estrogen.. Estrogen and progest are two main reasons why low sex drive could occur while on a cycle!!!!!

Merc !!!!!

4 weeks is not even enough for long esters to clear, let alone recover...Many people don't realize that if you are doing 600mg of eq/week you will have supraphysiological hormone levels (= still shut down) for about 7-8 weeks after last shot (just take the 16 days half life and do the math after a buildup of a few weeks or go to www.bulkmuscle.com)
so basically doing 12 on 12 off he is off only for 4-6 weeks, and doing 4 on 4 off he is never off, unless its only short esters...

this still does not provide an explanation for why he has no sex drive on 1 g test/week, there must be some other problem associated with that...