Tren or d-bol as kickstart

**TampaMan** · 08-02-2007, 07:54 AM

Plan is: (2nd cycle)
12 weeks test e @ 600-750mg /w
10 weeks deca @ 500mg/w
4 weeks dbol 50mg ed or 4-5 weeks tren A 75mg eod

a-dex weeks 1-15 .25 ed
nolva weeks 12-16 20mg ed
hcg week 12-15 500iu day

Tren wouldnt bloat nearly as much as d-bol, but would the deca fall short in comparision for the remainder of the cycle. Also is 10 weeks deca long enough?

Does this look good to everyone...please critique if nesscary.

**magic32** · 08-02-2007, 08:45 AM

That's a hefty second cycle!
Stats, cycle history?

**TampaMan** · 08-02-2007, 11:00 AM

Stats:
6'4" 200lbs as of today 13% BF, training for 5 years,
1st cycle was
600mg/w of test c
300mg/w eq.....not enough
PCT: nolva and clomid....hate clomid

I should just stick with d-bol i suppose but everyone loves tren ....I like its stats too and cant belive it would be more liver toxic than an oral...given the "back pumps" from d-bol which trouble.

My trouble is I want an even 500mg deca and it is 250mg/ml in a 10ml vial
the test e is in 1ml ampules at 250mg/ml it is hard to get just 600 in the week...but I do almost have a math major I can figure out the .XX ml needed to acomplish what I want....But then I have strange increments left over in the second amp since my goal is to pin twice a week.

**nyjetsfan86** · 08-02-2007, 11:12 AM

tren would be more quality and less bloating than dbol but wouldnt kick in as fast as the dbol so if you dont mind waiting a little longer for the kickstart id go tren

**TampaMan** · 08-05-2007, 10:38 PM

Decided to stick with the d-bol as the start
Any adjustments to the pct...or amounts

**Merc..** · 08-05-2007, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by TampaMan

Decided to stick with the d-bol as the start
Any adjustments to the pct...or amounts

I like nolva , hcg , aromasin for pct !!

**x_moe** · 08-06-2007, 01:43 AM

your pct is good, just run nolva a week or 2 longer.

**TampaMan** · 08-06-2007, 11:52 PM

Should I run any hcg during, it seems that I will not be making natural test no matter what right? (deca )
Or would 300mg hcg e3d keep everything working
also should the a-dex be ed or eod during,
or is nolva better to run during cycle....a dex im pretty sure,,,but last time was nolva during.

**magic32** · 08-07-2007, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by TampaMan

Should I run any hcg during, it seems that I will not be making natural test no matter what right? (deca )
Or would 300mg hcg e3d keep everything working
also should the a-dex be ed or eod during,
or is nolva better to run during cycle....a dex im pretty sure,,,but last time was Nolva during.

With that much Test/Deca, nothing can sustain natty. Hold on the Hcg and begin prior to cycle completion, or in case of dysfunction.

You speak as if you're prone to something, if so expand on it.
If not, save the nolva for pct...it should only be ran during cycle if AI's are not available, as they are the traditional on-cycle fixes.

**TampaMan** · 08-07-2007, 10:45 PM

No, nothing really, last round went perfect....untill clomid.,,,(acne).... just a little worried about really bad water retention on d-bol and test

**Merc..** · 08-07-2007, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by TampaMan

Should I run any hcg during, it seems that I will not be making natural test no matter what right? (deca )
Or would 300mg hcg e3d keep everything working
also should the a-dex be ed or eod during,
or is nolva better to run during cycle....a dex im pretty sure,,,but last time was nolva during.

Nolva increses PgG in breast tissue and can acually cause more of a chance to get gyno( gives more for the deca's metoblites to bind to) when using 19 nor's.. Some people dont have any probs running nolva with 19 nor's but some of my best friends had major problems when combing the two. I like letro when using 19 nor's because it has but shown to lower PgR..

Merc!!

**TampaMan** · 08-08-2007, 03:25 PM

Thanks MercDD...you have given me some good info on all my recent post. Will the a-dex instead of armostain (sp) work out ok?

**Merc..** · 08-08-2007, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by TampaMan

Thanks MercDD...you have given me some good info on all my recent post. Will the a-dex instead of armostain (sp) work out ok?

No Problem !!!

Yes adex would do the trick IMO ... Please keep us posted on how your cycle goes .. I am in FL also this heat is killn me .... ( was just in tampa last wk)

Merc