my XXL winter cycle, Inputs please

**smokethedays** · 08-13-2007, 06:45 PM

current stats:
27 years old, 6', 245 lbs, 11% BF
cycled compounds: Test (all esters), Deca , EQ, Winny, HGH, IGF, Insulin , D-bol.

weeks 1-16 Test E 750mg/week
weeks 1-14 Deca 600 mg/week
weeks 16-18 HCG 1500 IU every 5th day
weeks 17-20 Winny 100 mg/day
weeks 16-20 Test Prop. 125 mg/EOD
weeks 17-20 Clen 160 mcg/day
4 weeks PCT (HCG, Clomid, and Arimidex )

Any inputs guys will be really appreciated cons and pros, it all helps somehow

**domeyeahaigh** · 08-13-2007, 06:51 PM

XXL like bulk if so I would take out winny, take out clen , and work something

with dbol week 1-6 50mg/ed
test e 1-12 600 mg/week
deca 1-12 600 mg/week

unless you are trying to cut but it says XXL so I assume that means you want to get really big...

**domeyeahaigh** · 08-13-2007, 06:52 PM

or try the drol

**taiboxa** · 08-13-2007, 06:56 PM

i love mixing DHT's and Nor's... super synergy
w/ ur expereicne there are a few alterations i would suggest.
1st i would swap doses of deca /test or run test at 500 and deca around 800.
2ndly i'd run the win a lil longer, as 4 weeks.. isnt very long and its the only oral ur running..
3rdly lower ur hcg dosage and increase frequency of administration.

those are MY changes.. but you, hopefully, know ur self better than i do and can make ur own decisions.

**testisbest** · 08-13-2007, 06:56 PM

Looks like fun. Except last time I ran deca that high I had some terrible night sweats and insomina. I barely made 10 weeks out of it. Hope it works for you. Good luck.

**smokethedays** · 08-13-2007, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by christopherallen

XXL like bulk if so I would take out winny, take out clen , and work something

with dbol week 1-6 50mg/ed
test e 1-12 600 mg/week
deca 1-12 600 mg/week

unless you are trying to cut but it says XXL so I assume that means you want to get really big...

1- I don't run any cycle below 16 weeks.
2- 600 mg/week is too low for me
3- Winny and Clen will do this for me My Before And After Cutting Pics!! Critique plz.

**2deizel** · 08-13-2007, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by testisbest

Looks like fun. Except last time I ran deca that high I had some terrible night sweats and insomina. I barely made 10 weeks out of it. Hope it works for you. Good luck.

deca night sweats and insomnia? you mean tren .

actually i like what you have similar to what im running but im going with sust. it kinda looks like you want to turn your bulker into a cutter at the end, nothing wrong with that but i found clen doesint really do much for me i would also use a kicker d-bol perhaps or what ever oral you like.

**taiboxa** · 08-13-2007, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by 2deizel

deca night sweats and insomnia? you mean tren .

actually i like what you have similar to what im running but im going with sust. it kinda looks like you want to turn your bulker into a cutter at the end, nothing wrong with that but i found clen doesint really do much for me i would also use a kicker d-bol perhaps or what ever oral you like.

nah.. some people respond horribly to nor groups, especially when they are in a high anabolic state.. seems like the increased anabolism increases body heat/calori expenditure and cuases insomnia and shyt..but if i hadnt had friend that have claimed the same then i would have to aggree w/ u since deca seems like such a mild aas

**smokethedays** · 08-13-2007, 07:10 PM

kool Tai, i will look into those mods, i appreciate it.

**testisbest** · 08-13-2007, 07:10 PM

I've used both tren and deca and have gotten the same sides from 500mg+ weekly of deca as 350mg of trenA weekly. But 400mg of deca a week is my sweet spot. I'm not mistaking deca for tren and before I've tried 500mg+ I would agree with you that deca wouldn't cause those sides.

**InsaneInTheMembrane** · 08-13-2007, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by smokethedays

current stats:
27 years old, 6', 245 lbs, 11% BF
cycled compounds: Test (all esters), Deca , EQ, Winny, HGH, IGF, Insulin , D-bol.

weeks 1-16 Test E 750mg/week
weeks 1-14 Deca 600 mg/week
weeks 16-18 HCG 1500 IU every 5th day
weeks 17-20 Winny 100 mg/day
weeks 16-20 Test Prop. 125 mg/EOD
weeks 17-20 Clen 160 mcg/day
4 weeks PCT (HCG, Clomid, and Arimidex )

Any inputs guys will be really appreciated cons and pros, it all helps somehow

I personally think your cycle looks good, although I would lengthen the "cutting phase" by another 2 weeks (total wks 16-22) and add some tren (50mg ED) since it will go very well with winny and test IMO. Also, I would stretch out your PCT to 6 wks.

cheers

**smokethedays** · 08-14-2007, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by InsaneInTheMembrane

I personally think your cycle looks good, although I would lengthen the "cutting phase" by another 2 weeks (total wks 16-22) and add some tren (50mg ED) since it will go very well with winny and test IMO. Also, I would stretch out your PCT to 6 wks.

cheers

thanks man, i'll consider that.