cutting cycle,please critique

**bigtomo1** · 10-21-2007, 10:15 AM

hi im just about to start my first cutting cycle,i was thinking of--

anavar -week1-8 =60mg
test prop-75-100mg ed
winny-week8-15 =50-100mg
clen -2weeks on/off
t3 throughout cycle.
igf-80mcg-4weeks on/off

does this look ok??
also do i need to take var/prop/winny every day or 5 out of 7?

**epno** · 10-21-2007, 12:15 PM

From what I've read, winny cylces should be kept to 6 weeks due to hepatoxicity and orals in general 10-12 weeks. I'm running something similar, but using non methylated Furaguno (analog of Furazabol) with Anavar and T-3 for 8 weeks. I posted the cycle in Merc's thread on cycles. Var and T-3 should help the fat come off pretty well. Do you really need clen too? What's your PCT?

**Johny-too-small** · 10-21-2007, 12:24 PM

You can run orals past 6 weeks w/ no prob, however, running 2 different orals for a total of 16 weeks is not good. Drop the anavar or the winny, you dont need both. Focus more on your diet and cardio, instead.

You need to administer those orals everyday....
How long are you running Prop?

**bigtomo1** · 10-21-2007, 05:35 PM

im not im running var for 8 weeks then winny for 8 weeks,my diet and cardio are spot on,prop throughout.

**Amorphic** · 10-21-2007, 05:44 PM

i would drop the anavar and keep the winny for 8 weeks.

what are your stats? and what is your planned pct?

**bigtomo1** · 10-21-2007, 05:48 PM

im 32,6 2",255lbs,18bf,pct-clomid + nolva

why would you choose winny over var??

**Amorphic** · 10-21-2007, 05:54 PM

winny is a dht derived steroid and has a stronger androgenic rating than var. they will both turn your lipid profiles upside down but winny has the added advantage of increasing free test production so it is a solid choice imo.

**Johny-too-small** · 10-21-2007, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by bigtomo1

im not im running var for 8 weeks then winny for 8 weeks,my diet and cardio are spot on,prop throughout.

Okay the math is REALLY SIMPLE. 8 weeks (anavar ) + 8 weeks (winny) = 16 weeks (total time running orals). Understand?

**bigtomo1** · 10-21-2007, 06:02 PM

where did i say i was having oral winny??
UNDERSTAND!!!

**Amorphic** · 10-21-2007, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by bigtomo1

where did i say i was having oral winny??
UNDERSTAND!!!

back to the issue, or if you like you guys can bicker more. drop the anavar and run the winny for the abovementioned reasons

**bigtomo1** · 10-21-2007, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Amorphic

back to the issue, or if you like you guys can bicker more. drop the anavar and run the winny for the abovementioned reasons

amen to that!!
theres always one

thanks for your help amorphic,how long would you suggest running winny?

**Amorphic** · 10-21-2007, 06:13 PM

8 weeks is fine

**bigtomo1** · 10-21-2007, 06:17 PM

thanks for your help amorphic.

**Johny-too-small** · 10-21-2007, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by bigtomo1

where did i say i was having oral winny??
UNDERSTAND!!!

You really made that clear to everyone in post #4 after two members told you that it was too long. It wasnt until I called you out, that you said you were not running winny as an oral...I call b.s.

Anyway, good luck, bro. Take anabolic advice from someone who's never touched gear in his life, but hands it out like hes a vet, lmao.

**Amorphic** · 10-21-2007, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

Anyway, good luck, bro. Take anabolic advice from someone who's never touched gear in his life, but hands it out like hes a vet, lmao.

yeah that was totally uncalled for. So my advice is worthless because i'm not running anabolics? did i say anything you said was incorrect? i agree with everthing you said in this thread and then because you guys are arguing and i give a solution, im the bad guy? come on man, give me a break. i'm satisfied with the way i deal out advice here and as far as me 'handing it out like im a vet' you should give your head a shake. i'm pretty sure what i say here contributes to solid aas decision making and cycling. if you have a problem with me simply trying to help, then im sorry. im just trying to do what i can here, and when i do cycle, i hope i am 'worthy' of being taken seriously.

**Johny-too-small** · 10-21-2007, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Amorphic

yeah that was totally uncalled for. So my advice is worthless because i'm not running anabolics? did i say anything you said was incorrect? i agree with everthing you said in this thread and then because you guys are arguing and i give a solution, im the bad guy? come on man, give me a break. i'm satisfied with the way i deal out advice here and as far as me 'handing it out like im a vet' you should give your head a shake. i'm pretty sure what i say here contributes to solid aas decision making and cycling. if you have a problem with me simply trying to help, then im sorry. im just trying to do what i can here, and when i do cycle, i hope i am 'worthy' of being taken seriously.

I understand your viewpoint, and I do agree that for the most part, you've done your research, but my comment was not uncalled for. I, however, do not comment on any compounds that I have not cycled, even if I know everything about it. Its my opinion, that handing out anabolic advice is a serious task and I think that if you are not a doctor in medicine or have no personal experience with the anabolic compounds mentioned, you should not give advice about it.
I see other members give advice when they have never administered the drug and its f-ing wrong. I see ppl hand out their opinions and advice w/o merit and you wonder why people get gyno or other preventable health risks. Youre not the bad guy, but I think you should exercise extreme caution, as Im sure you are. And when you do cycle, your advice will carry a much bigger weight behind it. Thats why people listen to mods and vets and members with higher post counts, theyre expected to have first hand experience. I apologize if I offended you, that was not my intent.

**Amorphic** · 10-21-2007, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

I understand your viewpoint, and I do agree that for the most part, you've done your research, but my comment was not uncalled for. I, however, do not comment on any compounds that I have not cycled, even if I know everything about it. Its my opinion, that handing out anabolic advice is a serious task and I think that if you are not a doctor in medicine or have no personal experience with the anabolic compounds mentioned, you should not give advice about it.
I see other members give advice when they have never administered the drug and its f-ing wrong. I see ppl hand out their opinions and advice w/o merit and you wonder why people get gyno or other preventable health risks. Youre not the bad guy, but I think you should exercise extreme caution, as Im sure you are. And when you do cycle, your advice will carry a much bigger weight behind it. Thats why people listen to mods and vets and members with higher post counts, theyre expected to have first hand experience. I apologize if I offended you, that was not my intent.

Thanks. I do take aas use very seriously, my goal has always been to learn as much as i possibly can and help others while i am at it. I don't claim to know everything but I do believe i am somewhat educated and can hand out advice when it is constructive and can be backed up by others. (as a lot of what i say is seconded by other experienced users) Thanks for clearing things up.

**bigtomo1** · 10-22-2007, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

You really made that clear to everyone in post #4 after two members told you that it was too long. It wasnt until I called you out, that you said you were not running winny as an oral...I call b.s.

Anyway, good luck, bro. Take anabolic advice from someone who's never touched gear in his life, but hands it out like hes a vet, lmao.

right for a start off im no bullshitter,if i say its injectable then its injectable!!
ive taken amorphics advise on board as i will anybody else who cares to comment on this thread,even yours!! but theres no need for you to have that attitude,its supposed to be a friendly place round here and we are all here to help each other right!! if you dont agree with what amorphic has advised then simply post your advice.

**Johny-too-small** · 10-22-2007, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by bigtomo1

right for a start off im no bullshitter,if i say its injectable then its injectable!!
ive taken amorphics advise on board as i will anybody else who cares to comment on this thread,even yours!! but theres no need for you to have that attitude,its supposed to be a friendly place round here and we are all here to help each other right!! if you dont agree with what amorphic has advised then simply post your advice.

You could stand a basic lesson in reading comprehension.

First, I never disagreed with amorphic. Second, when 2 members make typical assumptions and give advice regarding your cycle and you don’t immediately correct them, your going to cause confusion and you’ll end up eating all the attitude you deserve. Anyway, I am not here to grovel on about feelings. Good luck with your cutter. Im out.

**bigtomo1** · 10-22-2007, 04:12 PM

so could you!!
i never said you did disagree i said IF you did!!
maybe i should of made clear it was injectable but then again you shouldnt assume,maybe where you come from oral winny is more popular but where go injectable is all i get,either way niether me or amorphic deserved your attitude it was a simple case of getting our wires crossed no biggy..

**Amorphic** · 10-22-2007, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by bigtomo1

so could you!!
i never said you did disagree i said IF you did!!
maybe i should of made clear it was injectable but then again you shouldnt assume,maybe where you come from oral winny is more popular but where go injectable is all i get,either way niether me or amorphic deserved your attitude it was a simple case of getting our wires crossed no biggy..

johny and i have talked outside of this conversation and things are fine. its nothing to get too upset about, people misunderstand and this arguement is over. the advice given on this thread will help you with your cycle and that is the main point, not senseless bickering

**Johny-too-small** · 10-22-2007, 04:20 PM

Yup, misunderstanding. As said before, good luck with your cutter.

**J-41-sd** · 10-22-2007, 04:22 PM

a little fyi anavar and whinny are both dht compounds, I personally would take the var for the first half then switch to whinny as a finisher as the var will help with strength then the whinny will give you a hard ripped look to finish. If I had to drop one I'd drop the whinny as it kills my joints and I just like var better.

**bigtomo1** · 10-22-2007, 04:37 PM

amorphic=well said,thanks for that.

johny-too-small=no hard feelings,thanks for the good luck and your advice.

j-41-sd=this is what i was thinking,first 8 weeks var then last 8 weeks winny,thanks for your help.

anybody else got any thoughts..