Cycle Decisions..........you know you wanna help

**RuhlFreak55** · 10-21-2007, 01:16 PM

ok guys i need cycle ideas........I'm going to be doing at least one show this next summer if not 2 or 3 and due to the bustys we had in september i was unable to get any gear in time to start my bulker. So what i was thinking is there is a cycle in my book here that's kind of like a dual phase? I want to do one of these i think but it includes some rare things so we need to modify it a bit....also the one in the book is only 17 weeks, the cutting portion 9 weeks....and as this is my first show i think i need much more cutting time than that, perhaps 12 weeks? and up the cycle to like 20 or something? what do you guys think?

i would just do a cutter but i kinda think i need some more mass first or i'll be at the very bottom of the heavyweight class and that's a recipe for disaster i think lol

**soulstealer** · 10-21-2007, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by RuhlFreak55

ok guys i need cycle ideas........I'm going to be doing at least one show this next summer if not 2 or 3 and due to the bustys we had in september i was unable to get any gear in time to start my bulker. So what i was thinking is there is a cycle in my book here that's kind of like a dual phase? I want to do one of these i think but it includes some rare things so we need to modify it a bit....also the one in the book is only 17 weeks, the cutting portion 9 weeks....and as this is my first show i think i need much more cutting time than that, perhaps 12 weeks? and up the cycle to like 20 or something? what do you guys think?

i would just do a cutter but i kinda think i need some more mass first or i'll be at the very bottom of the heavyweight class and that's a recipe for disaster i think lol

Maybe something like

Test enanthate week 1-10 @ 1G EW
Test prop week 11-17 @ 75MG ED
Dbol week 1-6 @ 40mg ED
Tren Ace 1-8 @ 100mg ED
Tren Ace 11-17@ 50MG ED
Winni 11-17@ 50MG ED

Something like that?

**RuhlFreak55** · 10-21-2007, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by soulstealer

Maybe something like

Test enanthate week 1-10 @ 1G EW
Test prop week 11-17 @ 75MG ED
Dbol week 1-6 @ 40mg ED
Tren Ace 1-8 @ 100mg ED
Tren Ace 11-17@ 50MG ED
Winni 11-17@ 50MG ED

Something like that?

that looks decent......here's my concern though....i dunno will i have to be dieting through some of the "bulk" period in one of these in order to be ready? cause 7 weeks is not enough for my ass to get to 5% or whatever lol....it really comes down to how LONG can i make a cycle and still recover here?

**RuhlFreak55** · 10-21-2007, 01:31 PM

Anavar week 1-6, 10-16 40-60mg ed
Masteron week 1-10 150mg eod week 10-16 100mg ed
Test prop week 1-8 100mg ed,
then drop totally cause you got masteron and it is better and wont make you hold water
Tren acetate week 1-6, 10-16 75mg ed
igf 5 weeks out to day before show, 60-80mg ed pwo

this is the last cutting cycle i did....ended up modifying it a little bit cause i ended up not doing show but this was basically it.....could you run something akin to this with a bulker in front of it or not? i dunno run a bridge maybe? i have time...just not enough time to run a whole PCT between them

**soulstealer** · 10-21-2007, 03:45 PM

Then Run HCG @ 1000 IU's E4 days run a long ester at the beginning with an oral kick long ester for extra aromatization run an AI to prevent gyno and switch test esters at the end and run down to contest with non aromatizing stuff like stop the prop 5 days out run letro @ 2.0mg 5 days out threw contest with tren and winni.... Dry and hard then just push some water out and your good...Atleast thats my take on a bulk/cutt contest prep.. the moral of the story is:

The DHT wont aromatize neither will the tren run tren ace and a Dht of your choice with letro to make you crazy hard then dry yourself out and wala your freak master with paper thin dry ass skin

oh and dialysis in the near future =P

j/k

**Amorphic** · 10-21-2007, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by RuhlFreak55

Anavar week 1-6, 10-16 40-60mg ed
Masteron week 1-10 150mg eod week 10-16 100mg ed
Test prop week 1-8 100mg ed,
then drop totally cause you got masteron and it is better and wont make you hold water
Tren acetate week 1-6, 10-16 75mg ed
igf 5 weeks out to day before show, 60-80mg ed pwo

i would do something along those lines again.

**RuhlFreak55** · 10-21-2007, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Amorphic

i would do something along those lines again.

it's not really dual phase though....not to mention var is too expensive for it's own good lol

**RuhlFreak55** · 10-21-2007, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by soulstealer

Then Run HCG @ 1000 IU's E4 days run a long ester at the beginning with an oral kick long ester for extra aromatization run an AI to prevent gyno and switch test esters at the end and run down to contest with non aromatizing stuff like stop the prop 5 days out run letro @ 2.0mg 5 days out threw contest with tren and winni.... Dry and hard then just push some water out and your good...Atleast thats my take on a bulk/cutt contest prep.. the moral of the story is:

The DHT wont aromatize neither will the tren run tren ace and a Dht of your choice with letro to make you crazy hard then dry yourself out and wala your freak master with paper thin dry ass skin

oh and dialysis in the near future =P

j/k

with that HCG does E4 mean every 4 days throughout the cycle?

**PEWN** · 10-21-2007, 07:54 PM

you def create alittle bump in the road with a dual phase ( as you call it ) cycle..... my only suggestion would be ........ running masteron , tren ace,and prob.... then throw in winny and igf at the end of it ...... dosages and such are up to you and what you react to but..... that combo will achieve bulk and cut pending your diet .... and training method..... if you need more time for cutting then bulking adjust accordingly.... but there are way more experience show people on here then me that will help also.... just wanted to give my .02

**hugovsilva** · 10-21-2007, 08:07 PM

Well.

The problem is that 19nros are the best for both cutting and bulking. You could do a dual phase but that would put you in a cycle with 20weeks of 19nors and recovery could be a bitch. Here is my idea: (you should know your dosages better than me so i'll leave it up to you)

1-6: Dbol or Drol (up to you)
1-10: test e
1-10: deca or tren e
1-10: masteron
AI of your choice thoughout
11-20: test prop
11-19: tren ace
11-20: masteron
15-20: winny

Igf last 5 weeks of the bulking phase and again at last 5 weeks of cutting phase.

This is basically a bulker followed by a cutter. It would take a strong pct to recover from 20weeks of 19nors and still it wouldn't be easy to recover.

Anyway, in your situation, this is what i would do.

**soulstealer** · 10-22-2007, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by RuhlFreak55

with that HCG does E4 mean every 4 days throughout the cycle?

Yes it will seriously help lessen the blow to your HPTA you'll still be suppressed but your nuts will be working the whole time so all you have to do is get your LH and FSH back to the point where they can support production on their own and your good...

**RuhlFreak55** · 10-22-2007, 11:12 AM

ok so some corroboration here......using the hcg will that make it not so impossible to recover from being on 19nors for 20 weeks straight?

i also have a question as to if i do more than one show (which i want to), like do i go back on for the weeks between or can i keep it ok without the gear and peak again? never done this before but i wanna go big lol

**soulstealer** · 10-22-2007, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by RuhlFreak55

ok so some corroboration here......using the hcg will that make it not so impossible to recover from being on 19nors for 20 weeks straight?

i also have a question as to if i do more than one show (which i want to), like do i go back on for the weeks between or can i keep it ok without the gear and peak again? never done this before but i wanna go big lol

I dunno bro pushing 19Nors for what 30 weeks? without anytime off from the gym either.... thats a little rough bro...

**hugovsilva** · 10-22-2007, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by RuhlFreak55

ok so some corroboration here......using the hcg will that make it not so impossible to recover from being on 19nors for 20 weeks straight?

i also have a question as to if i do more than one show (which i want to), like do i go back on for the weeks between or can i keep it ok without the gear and peak again? never done this before but i wanna go big lol

I wouldn't push it on the 19nors. If I had to do something in between I would go with peptides (igf1-lr3 and mgf pop to mind since they kick in much sooner than hgh) and probably some masteron to keep definition and size.

**RuhlFreak55** · 10-22-2007, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by soulstealer

I dunno bro pushing 19Nors for what 30 weeks? without anytime off from the gym either.... thats a little rough bro...

i'm beginning to lean towards just cutting and doin it regardless of how light i come in....i do have some prohormones right now and i'm trying to bulk anyway so maybe i'll be fine.......question about what to do in the little breaks between contests i'd still like to know though

**soulstealer** · 10-22-2007, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by RuhlFreak55

i'm beginning to lean towards just cutting and doin it regardless of how light i come in....i do have some prohormones right now and i'm trying to bulk anyway so maybe i'll be fine.......question about what to do in the little breaks between contests i'd still like to know though

I guess if I were to do it I'd prolly bridge with something like var @ maybe 50mg ED and depending on how long between cycles jump back on The tren /winni or whatever your running to come in...