4th cycle, sust 500mg/wk- 7 weeks in.. not shut down?

**vestax** · 10-23-2007, 09:34 PM

I'm just wondering if 500mg/wk of sust is cutting it any more I'm not seeing the best results at 500mg/wk. It's my fourth or fifth cycle and my nuts have not shrank down but usually they do...

Also, Its the first cycle I have taken without DBOL to frontload (dbol shrinks my nuts after a week) and they stay like that until the end of the cycle.

Am I not shutting down as hard because there is no DBOL?

Should I up the sust to 750mg a week and see if my results are getting better? I am making gains but nothing too crazy....diet/training are in check

I'm just thinking I need to take the extra amp of sust what do you guys think?

**Chuck_R** · 10-23-2007, 09:38 PM

Have you taken SUST b4?

**Chuck_R** · 10-23-2007, 09:41 PM

It sounds like from your post that you've taken sust w/ Dbol that last 3 or 4 times?

**vestax** · 10-23-2007, 09:41 PM

I took sust 4 years ago with 40mg of DBOL for the first 3-4 weeks...I got gains of the DBOL but they definitely slowed down when I got off it and didnt see anything too crazy off 500mg/wk at that time.....
I've taken enanthate twice and again lots of water but not greatest gains- nothing like 22lbs in 9 weeks like I hear about from others...

I'm just wondering if 500 a week hasn't been cutting it for me I think the dbol used to shut me down and then the sust KEPT me shut down.....

**vestax** · 10-23-2007, 09:42 PM

I've pretty much always done test with a dbol front load....this time I wanted to do JUST test to see if recovery was easier

**Chuck_R** · 10-23-2007, 09:43 PM

I'm asking cause I'm curious about people who've taken sust for the 1st cycle? It's weird (maybe not) some people say sust was a great 1st cycle some say it was just ok.

**vestax** · 10-23-2007, 09:44 PM

I took it for my first (underground) then did everything else from underground- this time i have pharmaceutical grade it is definitely legit but i mean 7 weeks in I am feeling the punch at the gym and the boost in my cardio but the actual size isn't coming on as fast as I would imagine + my nuts are barely shut down makes me skeptical

**frignugs** · 10-23-2007, 09:45 PM

Yeah man, your starting to put a few notches in the belt, 500mg wont be the same as your first time. Plus, with not adding dbol , it could be a world of difference. Nothing sounds strange here. You could up the test to say maybe 250 mg eod, i think that will get things really crackin.

How is the diet? Getting good solid cals?

**nowdenlid** · 10-23-2007, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by chuck_redhill

I'm asking cause I'm curious about people who've taken sust for the 1st cycle?

i used sust for first cycle and gained 30lbs and kept 23 of it with a poor pct

here was my cycle.

weeks 1-6 250mgs sustonon pew week

weeks 6-12 250mgs of sustonon eod .

poor cycle i know but gaind very well from it.

**Chuck_R** · 10-23-2007, 09:48 PM

Looking at your join date and # of post it's obvious that you've been around 4 awhile? But I'm gonna ask anyway..Have you always gotten your gear from the same source? NEVER MIND posted after u already said....disregard

**vestax** · 10-23-2007, 09:48 PM

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=237614

this is what the sust that i got looks like its coming in blister packs of 5 as well...and from europe....it seems liek a LOT of work to fake

**vestax** · 10-23-2007, 09:50 PM

hey- ya i've been around for a while but have switched up my sources a few times...this is a new one and I mean I ordered deca , sust & orlistat from him

orlistat from the sides --> 100% real
deca --> nipples extremely sensitive i think 100% real
sust --> from the same source, packaging is perfect if these are fakes i am shocked but im probably about 6 weeks in and not holding much water, not making crazy gains but i know the pumps and the cardio that I get it seems to me like its real

**nowdenlid** · 10-23-2007, 09:51 PM

what human grade sust do you have?

i have just started paki oragon sust, imo you cant go wrong with paki sust .

**vestax** · 10-23-2007, 09:52 PM

this is the first "human grade" i have used. everything else has been underground from reputable canadian labs...dbol i have used all sorts of different kinds they all have worked for me

this is organon india

**Chuck_R** · 10-23-2007, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by nowdenlid

i used sust for first cycle and gained 30lbs and kept 23 of it with a poor pct

here was my cycle.

weeks 1-6 250mgs sustonon pew week

weeks 6-12 250mgs of sustonon eod .

poor cycle i know but gaind very well from it.

Thanks for response nowdenlid, appreciate it...didn't mean to hijack post.

**vestax** · 10-23-2007, 09:53 PM

as for my diet & training pretty solid- but my question is should a SUST only cycle shut down your boys or not?

**vestax** · 10-23-2007, 10:00 PM

any ideas ? if my nuts arent shut down after 6 or so weeks at 500 mg a week does that mean they're fake or i'm not taking enough??

**Chuck_R** · 10-23-2007, 10:10 PM

I don't know vestax, I'm still working out my first cycle...which will prob. be sust as that's what I got plenty of. We'll keep bumping till u get answer.

**nowdenlid** · 10-23-2007, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by vestax

any ideas ? if my nuts arent shut down after 6 or so weeks at 500 mg a week does that mean they're fake or i'm not taking enough??

500mgs of test is plenty for a cycle ,no need to add more imo.i would say its either your diet of bunk gear.

**frignugs** · 10-23-2007, 10:17 PM

Yes, Test will shut you down. You would know if it was fake by now, how is the strength and size?????, give ua an idea. My nuts dont shrink much off a light test cycle, just beacuse your nuts arnt shrinking doenst nessecarlly mean that you are not shutting down.

**deltaguy** · 10-23-2007, 11:05 PM

Sust is a sore subject for me because most people do not understand the logic behind the blended esters and i am surprised if not skeptical of most people's supposed results while running 500mgs per week.

Nevertheless, I am willing to bet your sust is real deal. What makes you think you are not shut down? Just because your nuts haven't shrunken doesn't mean you are not shut down. They could be just marginally smaller and it would be doubtful you would notice it. You are def not noticing similar gains as in past cycles mainly due to lack of dbol kick and repeatedly running 500mgs per week for each cycle.

My suggestion since you are seven weeks in already, switch to a 250mgs e3d routine. don't be concerned about the actual mgs per week as much as having consistancy with your injections. E3d has been my norm for a few years now (not counting sust) and I have noticed significant differences such as less sides e.g. bloat, acne, bp spikes, etc and definitely better gains.

best of luck bro and keep us posted

**vestax** · 10-24-2007, 06:04 AM

okay guys i am going to jump up to 250mgs EOD because 250mg E3D is only a little bit more than what I am taking now.

I thought once your natural test was shut down that your testicles shrunk? Maybe it doesnt happen to everyone but I know when taking DBOL my nuts shrink and this time I have noticed it some days but not really others. I'm also not retaining NEARLY as much water as I do with dbol/enanthate

I'm going to jump up to 250mg E3D then update everyone thanks for the helP!

**XNathan** · 10-24-2007, 12:43 PM

Testes dont shrunk over night. Its take more than 4wks on 19nor to see noticable decrease in volume. My testes are softer thats all. After hCG treatment they become painfull and they are solid again...