Problem PCT

**NPC87** · 10-25-2007, 03:35 PM

Hello boys wanted to know how to set the PTC for my cycle

wk 1-8 Test Enanthate 250mg/week

The best way to keep pct results purchases with this cycle.

**nowdenlid** · 10-25-2007, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by NPC87

Hello boys wanted to know how to set the PTC for my cycle

wk 1-8 Test Enanthate 250mg/week

The best way to keep pct results purchases with this cycle.

nolva (20,20,20)or clomid(100,50,50) with a very simple cycle like that.

try upping the test to 500 mgs ew and run it for 12 weeks.

you will see way better gains with the above cycle.

what are your goals and stats please?

**Swifto** · 10-25-2007, 04:52 PM

wk 1-6 Clomid 25-50mg/ED
wk 1-6 Aromasin 12.5-25mg/ED

**Atomini** · 10-25-2007, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by nowdenlid

nolva (20,20,20)or clomid(100,50,50) with a very simple cycle like that.

try upping the test to 500 mgs ew and run it for 12 weeks.

you will see way better gains with the above cycle.

what are your goals and stats please?

Bro, he does not need 500mg per week to make great gains. 8 weeks is just fine and 250mg is more than enough. I'm just coming off an 8 week cycle of Test E at 300mg per week and i've put on 28 lbs. since the start of my cycle. Your gains do not depend on the dosage. They depend on how you train and eat. There is no need to place your body at higher risks with such a high dosage of 500mg/week (especially if one is a beginner) when you can get just the same results at a lower and safer dosage (and not to mention it's easier on the androgen receptors).

This parroting of 500mg/week as a must has got to stop.

**nowdenlid** · 10-25-2007, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Atomini

Bro, he does not need 500mg per week to make great gains. 8 weeks is just fine and 250mg is more than enough. I'm just coming off an 8 week cycle of Test E at 300mg per week and i've put on 28 lbs. since the start of my cycle. Your gains do not depend on the dosage. They depend on how you train and eat. There is no need to place your body at higher risks with such a high dosage of 500mg/week (especially if one is a beginner) when you can get just the same results at a lower and safer dosage (and not to mention it's easier on the androgen receptors).

This parroting of 500mg/week as a must has got to stop.

i dident say that 500mgs is a must i just think from person expereance that 500mgsew is better than 250mgs ew.i know that diet and training are the main keys to your gains.

so 300mgs test e for 8 weeks and 28lbs,must be your first cycle or your eating 5000+ cals a day (or 15lbs of your gains is warter

)

did you frontload with your cycle because they are some big gains for an 8 week test e cycle seens it dont kick in untill weeks 4-5

**nowdenlid** · 10-25-2007, 05:40 PM

i am not saying you are talking bullshit but they are some big gains for a week cycle like yours.

**Atomini** · 10-25-2007, 05:44 PM

Yes I frontloaded. And I am using an AI on cycle, so very little of my gains are water. It's also my first cycle, so yes that's a big factor as well.

**nowdenlid** · 10-25-2007, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Atomini

Yes I frontloaded. And I am using an AI on cycle, so very little of my gains are water. It's also my first cycle, so yes that's a big factor as well.

well done thats great work you should keep 20 of those lbs after pct.

**nowdenlid** · 10-25-2007, 05:49 PM

why the hell would you stop at week 8 anyway?

just when you are starting to get the most out of the test you go and stop ,this dont make sence to me,you should of gone with a shorter acting test if you only wanted to do an 8 week cycle.

just my thoughts bro and again well done but antother 2-4 weeks on your cycle could of given you an extra 10-15 lbs.

**Atomini** · 10-25-2007, 05:56 PM

I did my last injection on the Monday of week 8, so I wait 2 weeks for it to clear before starting PCT. So technically, it's really a 10 week cycle.

But still, I do not believe in long cycle lengths simply because it's harsher on the body and it's HPTA recovery. I want to get in and get out. The only reason I used a long ester is because it's my first cycle and i'm not ready to jab EOD. Though, I won't ever be touching long esters again. I'm only going to be using short esters from now on for the exact reason you stated.

**nowdenlid** · 10-25-2007, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Atomini

I did my last injection on the Monday of week 8, so I wait 2 weeks for it to clear before starting PCT. So technically, it's really a 10 week cycle.

But still, I do not believe in long cycle lengths simply because it's harsher on the body and it's HPTA recovery. I want to get in and get out. The only reason I used a long ester is because it's my first cycle and i'm not ready to jab EOD. Though, I won't ever be touching long esters again. I'm only going to be using short esters from now on for the exact reason you stated.

well thats fair play bro,i know you are clued up on the whole ass game and i wernt in any way inplieing that you dident know what you were doing.

just courios thats all.

again well done on them great gains.