replacement for test?

**1luv** · 01-28-2008, 10:59 AM

Here is the situation

I had a nice spring cycle planned with test e and winny. However my guy said he can no longer get the test. So I'm stuck with all this winny and no test. Assuming finding test isn't an option, what can I do? I don't want to run winny alone. A prohormone or something??? Let me know what you guys think. Thanks bros

**Bigmax** · 01-28-2008, 12:09 PM

thats a tuogh one bro...winny can be ran alone but considering you dont want to that you might want to continue trying to get some test...I'm not a prohormone fan so i wont speak on that.

**meathead320** · 01-28-2008, 12:14 PM

We cannot give you a source, however I encourage you to keep looking.

Test is, and always will be one of the easiest AAS to find, as it is so regularly used in medicine.

It is one of the least expensive and easy to make for UGL's too.

Keep looking, you got some time until spring.

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**No One Knows** · 01-28-2008, 12:52 PM

If you don't mind converting some fina pellets, tren + winny makes an awesome stack...

**1luv** · 01-28-2008, 12:55 PM

You said people do tend to do winny only cycles. How effective or safe is that? I just am afraid of being completely shut down from test and not being able to get it up or anything.

**meathead320** · 01-28-2008, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by 1luv

You said people do tend to do winny only cycles. How effective or safe is that? I just am afraid of being completely shut down from test and not being able to get it up or anything.

winny itself has very little impact on the HPTA, as it is a DHT type of steroid , and does not become E2 (estradiol), and therefor causes very little negative feedback on the HPTA.

Two weeks of nolva at the end would likely be plenty for pct.

Winny on its own does not seem to cause erection problems either, and some guys ever report better erections on it.

Winny is one of the very few oral cycles one can run on its own, however with test is far more effective.

Winny on its own will not build much if any size, but it can help maintain size when cutting.

I still think you should get some test to run with it, but yeah winny on its own can help cut you up.

**1luv** · 01-28-2008, 01:54 PM

so if I do decide to run winny alone is there any supplement that would help, even if gains are not as much as test

**1luv** · 01-28-2008, 08:56 PM

bump for any other opinions

**hugovsilva** · 01-28-2008, 09:20 PM

I have done equipoise and winny with no test, but i was running proviron . Its a nice cycle but obviously an extended one due to the long estered equipoise.

**1luv** · 01-28-2008, 10:08 PM

so no one thinks a prohormone would help?? Or something like that

**legobricks** · 01-28-2008, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by 1luv

so no one thinks a prohormone would help?? Or something like that

No prohormones are crap. Pheraplex gave me agyno and very little gains if anything. Superdrol did almost nothing to me compared to test and the old school prohormones, 1ad, etc...blew me up with water and lost is all at the end...of course i was very young and dumb at the time. Try to find test, its out there and is farely easy to get. Id rather take winny alone over any of that prohormone crap.

**legobricks** · 01-28-2008, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by meathead320

winny itself has very little impact on the HPTA, as it is a DHT type of steroid , and does not become E2 (estradiol), and therefor causes very little negative feedback on the HPTA.

Two weeks of nolva at the end would likely be plenty for pct. No it wont, try 4 weeks with clomid and nolva, standard practice. 4 weeks of nolva may be sufficient tho as winny does not cause total shutdown.

Winny on its own does not seem to cause erection problems either, and some guys ever report better erections on it.

Winny is one of the very few oral cycles one can run on its own, however with test is far more effective.

Winny on its own will not build much if any size, but it can help maintain size when cutting. Winny does NOT CUT you up. It will harden you up which wont really be noticed unless you are already a low BF%. You may gain a few lbs on winny alone tho.

I still think you should get some test to run with it, but yeah winny on its own can help cut you up.No, it wont cut you up. Once again, it will harden the muscle you have and def. will show if you are already low BF%...may add a couple lbs but will not cut you up.

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