dbol and appetite?

[taiboxa]

almost all orals suppress my appetite

[jch3131]

I do believe that in this very website that is states "One of the other effects most Equipoise users report is an increased appetite. I can say that this is true of me, also; this factor makes it impossible for me to diet on it. It´s because of this ability to increase appetite that many will include Equipoise in a mass cycle, and it´s for the quality of muscle gained on it that many will include it in a cutting cycle."

Enough said.

And yes Panzer he is a asshole.

[taiboxa]

you kids play nice now..

[N4cer]

I do believe that in this very website that is states "One of the other effects most Equipoise users report is an increased appetite. I can say that this is true of me, also; this factor makes it impossible for me to diet on it. It´s because of this ability to increase appetite that many will include Equipoise in a mass cycle, and it´s for the quality of muscle gained on it that many will include it in a cutting cycle."

Enough said.

And yes Panzer he is a asshole.

Dude, just because a web site spreads a myth doesn't make it right. Have you seen some of the "writers" who are nearly worshipped on here? EQ's mythical appetite stimulating properties came from it originally being made only for horses. Ignorant users somehow twisted that into it making you eat like a horse. It still has NEVER been shown to cause appetite stimulation beyond a placebo effect. Which, by the way, is very effective. Nor has any other androgen. Now YES there are hormones which stimulate appetite, but that's a whole new can of worms to get started into.

Remember, all you're going to find is things saying that androgens have REPORTED appetite stimulation. NOT ONE SHRED of scientific evidence points toward any reason for it. At least the BS science we use for most of our androgen knowledge has SOME SLIGHT bit of scientific evidence, even if it's a study showing what we want (although there's always another study showing the opposite).

You guys are really getting bent out of shape over the simple concept of this long-disproven myth. I thought only n00bs believed that nowadays. And NO, Mr. Sensitivity, I'm not bashing you! But YES, I was asking which one you have since results for AIDS patients and cancer patients are not valid results for healthy bb'ers in the slightest.

[taiboxa]

Dude, just because a web site spreads a myth doesn't make it right. Have you seen some of the "writers" who are nearly worshipped on here? EQ's mythical appetite stimulating properties came from it originally being made only for horses. Ignorant users somehow twisted that into it making you eat like a horse. It still has NEVER been shown to cause appetite stimulation beyond a placebo effect. Which, by the way, is very effective. Nor has any other androgen. Now YES there are hormones which stimulate appetite, but that's a whole new can of worms to get started into.

Remember, all you're going to find is things saying that androgens have REPORTED appetite stimulation. NOT ONE SHRED of scientific evidence points toward any reason for it. At least the BS science we use for most of our androgen knowledge has SOME SLIGHT bit of scientific evidence, even if it's a study showing what we want (although there's always another study showing the opposite).

You guys are really getting bent out of shape over the simple concept of this long-disproven myth. I thought only n00bs believed that nowadays. And NO, Mr. Sensitivity, I'm not bashing you! But YES, I was asking which one you have since results for AIDS patients and cancer patients are not valid results for healthy bb'ers in the slightest.

i gotta say though (even though i concur fully withya) that when ever im in a heightend state of anabolism due to aas my appetite goes up drastically assuming im not utilizing any orals.

[rampage12]

i have 2 more days of orals so hopefullt i ll get my hunger back then

[jch3131]

I still dont understand how you say its a myth, my appetite always goes up when i'm on a cycle, and when I am off it goes down. I've read that low test levels will cause you to lose your appetite as well. You can speak about myths, androgen and placebos and hold yourself on a high pedestal all you want, but I still believe that high test levels will cause a larger appetite.

[N4cer]

And that's fine. I believe (and have no reason to rewrite medical history by saying otherwise) that if you believe you'll have increased appetite - like so many believe will happen because of the myth - that you'll get increased appetite. That's the power of placebo.

As for saying increased test leads to greater than normal appetite just because low test means lower than normal appetite, that's just silly. Just because your appetite is reduced on low test doesn't mean that it's moderated by test. Just that the feeling like crap also weakens the desire for food.

It's not a big deal. As I said, just show reliable medical evidence. Saying "I believe" is about as valid as the guys who say their nuts are recovered because they "feel better". No big deal. Stick around and see if maybe you learn more by getting out and learning to filter the message board misinformation from the truth. Maybe your mind will change and maybe not. No big deal. I'm glad you guys get good results from that belief.

[Panzerfaust80]

And that's fine. I believe (and have no reason to rewrite medical history by saying otherwise) that if you believe you'll have increased appetite - like so many believe will happen because of the myth - that you'll get increased appetite. That's the power of placebo.

As for saying increased test leads to greater than normal appetite just because low test means lower than normal appetite, that's just silly. Just because your appetite is reduced on low test doesn't mean that it's moderated by test. Just that the feeling like crap also weakens the desire for food.

It's not a big deal. As I said, just show reliable medical evidence. Saying "I believe" is about as valid as the guys who say their nuts are recovered because they "feel better". No big deal. Stick around and see if maybe you learn more by getting out and learning to filter the message board misinformation from the truth. Maybe your mind will change and maybe not. No big deal. I'm glad you guys get good results from that belief.

No, its obvious that youre in a state of denial. Already about 4 people in this very thread have confirmed that "on a cycle, my appetite as increased"... even TAI said when your body is in a HEIGHTEN STATE OF METABOLISM IT IS VERY LIKELY THAT IT MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH APPETITE or something to that affect lol... so there, seems as thou YOURE the one that needs to prove that test DOSENT encourage appetite, since there is such an overwhelming response that it does... dont put the burden of proof on US believers, since we already know the truth as we have experienced it.

and as for ur 2nd paragraph quote, here is rebuttal:. Its not like you feel like crap ONCE or TWICE and u dont feel like eating, what we are saying that THRU THE DURATION OF THE CYCLE we experience "enhanced" appeitites, if u will... and many many many people experience this "phenonmenon", shyt its even stated as FACT in some AAS info areas.. Clear to me whos right and wrong here...

tai care to set the record straight with ur ominipotent powers???

[Panzerfaust80]

I do believe that in this very website that is states "One of the other effects most Equipoise users report is an increased appetite. I can say that this is true of me, also; this factor makes it impossible for me to diet on it. It´s because of this ability to increase appetite that many will include Equipoise in a mass cycle, and it´s for the quality of muscle gained on it that many will include it in a cutting cycle."

Enough said.

And yes Panzer he is a asshole.

thanx bud! see im not sensitive!!! other peeps agree with me.

[ironaddict69]

Ok guys, lets keep this thread going by not bashing one another, were all bros here and to help each other out. My 2 cents,

Anabolism is increased with anabolic /androgenic steroid use . Its also worth mentioning that nutrients are used at a greater rate (protein synthesis is sped up etc) So if nutrients are being used quickly and more efficiently, then yeah, your gonna be more hungry! For some reason Tren and Equipoise definitely raise peoples appetites. Let me take back the for some reason about tren, its extremely efficient at shuttling nutrients into cells. Equipoise? I don't know about that one though.

I will also agree with Taiboxa on this one, we have had conversations about orals and why they kill appetite, but they always do to me as well. Honestly, IMHO it is because they might possibly have negative effects on the lining of the stomach and intestines, I think i recall reading something about that. So could that be avoided by taking digestive enzymes + some pro-biotics from a health food store? I'll find out soon, because I'm going to be doing dbol and definitely want my never ending hunger to stay intact.

So does the actual steroid molecule make you more hungry? NO, but it's side effects (positive one if you ask me) certainly CAN, and they do to not only an excessive amount, but literally expensive to me.

[N4cer]

Medical books. Medical education. Veteran bodybuilders who don't buy into everything they hear on the internet just because it's in a non-medical book or an attention-grabbing write-up. Dude, you're saying that just because a few people on the internet buy into it that it goes against everything that medical science teaches us through theory AND EXPERIENCE when looked at in those without prejudice. I mean, do you REALLY think that the stuff written by all the "gurus" is all legit info? Come on dude. All you've done is prove my point about the power of placebo. You've not shown evidence of one single pathway by which androgens directly stimulate appetite. Or even indirectly. Other than a few internet bodybuilders. Like I said, disagree. It's no big deal. You can quit begging for more info, because I'm not going to even pretend to be one of these internet morons who does a copy/paste on studies. I've been reading that crap for long enough to know that I don't have to prove anything. I don't care that much. Wanna learn more about it? Go get educated in a medical profession. Even basic anatomy and physiology will give you a start to a better understanding. Just make sure to filter through the internet kiddies who believe all they read.

And I really don't care that somebody who believes in magical mythical properties of steroids thinks I'm a jerk. Or in the style of jch3131's grammar, "an jerk".

[Panzerfaust80]

Medical books. Medical education. Veteran bodybuilders who don't buy into everything they hear on the internet just because it's in a non-medical book or an attention-grabbing write-up. Dude, you're saying that just because a few people on the internet buy into it that it goes against everything that medical science teaches us through theory AND EXPERIENCE when looked at in those without prejudice. I mean, do you REALLY think that the stuff written by all the "gurus" is all legit info? Come on dude. All you've done is prove my point about the power of placebo. You've not shown evidence of one single pathway by which androgens directly stimulate appetite. Or even indirectly. Other than a few internet bodybuilders. Like I said, disagree. It's no big deal. You can quit begging for more info, because I'm not going to even pretend to be one of these internet morons who does a copy/paste on studies. I've been reading that crap for long enough to know that I don't have to prove anything. I don't care that much. Wanna learn more about it? Go get educated in a medical profession. Even basic anatomy and physiology will give you a start to a better understanding. Just make sure to filter through the internet kiddies who believe all they read.

And I really don't care that somebody who believes in magical mythical properties of steroids thinks I'm a jerk. Or in the style of jch3131's grammar, "an jerk".

damn bro can u actually get thru ONE post without flamming somebody?? but that last line did make me laugh.

I/we never said there was a DIRECT LINK between androgens and hunger. I'm saying that based on many many gear head reports they have experienced an increase in appetite while on AAS. Therefore, on some unknown-to-science-yet-level, there COULD very well be, and most likely is, some sort of side effect (not placebo) that effects appeitite.

Maybe you should and go back to reading ur medical books, im sure you overlooked the chapter , "AAS and Appetite Stimulation".

[N4cer]

Doh! There it is in the Table of Contents:

Ch. 9: Weed, Doritos, and You
Ch. 10: Horse Roids = Horse Appetite
Ch. 11: Y'all Act Like Crack Is a Bad Thing

LOL! Thanks man. That actually was funny and I appreciate you relaxing. I'm cool with us both believing whatever we feel we have reason to believe.

[Concept420]

It surpresses my appetite too. I find myself gagging sometimes to get more food or shake down

[Panzerfaust80]

Doh! There it is in the Table of Contents:

Ch. 9: Weed, Doritos, and You
Ch. 10: Horse Roids = Horse Appetite
Ch. 11: Y'all Act Like Crack Is a Bad Thing

LOL! Thanks man. That actually was funny and I appreciate you relaxing. I'm cool with us both believing whatever we feel we have reason to believe.

yep the true American way! hey where can I pick up that book, sounds good! crack ISNT wack!!

[Panzerfaust80]

It surpresses my appetite too. I find myself gagging sometimes to get more food or shake down

thats funny you say that I just gagged 5 min ago trying to get my shake down... ugh... sux man...

for some reason i have like NO appetite in the morning , i have to force feed myself at times... weird cuz when i was younger i could eat like a haus in the morn... full breakfast + shake loaded w/ calz.

[ironaddict69]

Theres gotta be a solution to the problem with our lowered appetites.

[N4cer]

Less dbol , more suspension!

[soffpt]

Regardless of scientific "facts" or personal preferences, you have to take genetics and environment into the equation. Some people are going to naturally react to things this strong different, regardless of GENERALLY excepted scientific theories. To the person who continually tries to talk like a "politician" and falling on magical "scientific facts", well nothing truly is a fact and you'll find things proven wrong on lots of occasions. You can list all the high-tech fancy cute little terms you want, that doesn't mean EVERYONE on the planet will react the same. Try to be a little open-minded. A solution for those who are hungry: create reason for hunger. May seem obvious but when I have loss of appetite I spend some time looking at extremely appealing food, and doing endurance runs, usually 10-15 miles. Long-term cardio always stirs up an appetite, unless you wanna die of course.

[nbkandrew13]

ok it seems like what your saying is that if your hungery on gear your weak minded, well im not and ive taken eq and was ravished the whole time.. so and everything i ever read says that it does that to most....

As for saying increased test leads to greater than normal appetite just because low test means lower than normal appetite, that's just silly. Just because your appetite is reduced on low test doesn't mean that it's moderated by test. Just that the feeling like crap also weakens the desire for food.

It's not a big deal. As I said, just show reliable medical evidence. Saying "I believe" is about as valid as the guys who say their nuts are recovered because they "feel better". No big deal. Stick around and see if maybe you learn more by getting out and learning to filter the message board misinformation from the truth. Maybe your mind will change and maybe not. No big deal. I'm glad you guys get good results from that belief.[/QUOTE]

[lovetobebig1984]

i know for a fact that eq will make you eat like a horse cause the perscribe it to animals that wont eat to stimulate there appitite so........read up on that