does 1000mg of deca really differ from 2000mg in shutting down?

**Njord** · 02-07-2008, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by largerthannormal

put it this way NJORD..if i was to turn a hose with running water off! is it possible to turn it off harder? NO but i could turn it off faster and it could take longer to turn back on! YES!!!! EXPLAINED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! QUESTION IS ANSWERED! THIS IS ALL TH PROOF WE NEED. DONT NEED ANY STUDIES OR OTHER INFO TO EXPLAIN!

Yeah that really cleared it up for me. You are clearly a mental giant

**Panzerfaust80** · 02-07-2008, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Alex Rodriguez

my babe, mary kay letreneou.

well if thats ur woman i aint knockin her but she kinda looks like bill gates bro!!

**Panzerfaust80** · 02-07-2008, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by largerthannormal

put it this way NJORD..if i was to turn a hose with running water off! is it possible to turn it off harder? NO but i could turn it off faster and it could take longer to turn back on! YES!!!! EXPLAINED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! QUESTION IS ANSWERED! THIS IS ALL TH PROOF WE NEED. DONT NEED ANY STUDIES OR OTHER INFO TO EXPLAIN!

wow I think i finally get it... holy shit UR A GENIOUS BRO!!!!!!! Tai, take notes i think we've finally found someone who can exceed ur awe-inspiring intelligence.

haha larger im fukin with u the way u wrote that was just kinda funny, like u had this great answer and its this silly metaphor..

oh by the way speaking of "running" things... go check to see if ur fridge is running real quick..... is it??.... oh it is, is it? WELL U BETTER GO CATCH IT !!! haha stupid i know who cares!

**Panzerfaust80** · 02-07-2008, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Njord

Yeah that really cleared it up for me. You are clearly a mental giant

LOL. I suspect a hint of sarcasm, Njord.

whats Njord mean anyway? Is that like the male version of Bjork?

**Njord** · 02-07-2008, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Panzerfaust80

LOL. I suspect a hint of sarcasm, Njord.

whats Njord mean anyway? Is that like the male version of Bjork?

I guess he was being sarcastic, but it was kind of annoying anyway.
Njord is the norse god of winds, sea and fire.

**Panzerfaust80** · 02-07-2008, 03:24 PM

Oh really? R U a Norseman? vikings were big dudes!!! Eric liefsson really discovered the americas way before cris colom did .. lil trivia there for ya..

**kfrost06** · 02-07-2008, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by kfrost06

Further more deca almost instantly castrates your test production, that is it sends negative feedback to stop your HPT right away even at a low dose of 100mg of deca nandrolone. That obviously does not occur with testosterone.

I hate being wrong but this statement is wrong so I must clarify. Deca does not shut you down instantly in fact the strongest GnRH antagonist out there takes 12 hrs to castrate testosterone production. Here's the study,

"Effective suppression of luteinizing hormone and testosterone by single doses of the new gonadotropin-releasing hormone antagonist cetrorelix (SB-75) in normal men"

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/con...tract/75/2/393

Deca can take 5-10 days to shut you down completely according to the Minto study. The reason deca takes this long to suppress testosterone production is attributable to the fact that the overall kinetics of suppression of testosterone are dominated by the slow negative feedback system. The negative feedback is mediated via inhibition of pulsatile gonadotropin-releasing hormone(GnRH) secretion from hypothalamic neurons into the pituitary portal system and then pituitary LH secretion from gonadotropes.

I am still under the belief that deca shuts you down "harder" and faster then test from my personal experience however give me some more time to read up on it. I'll be back(said like the governator).

**largerthannormal** · 02-07-2008, 06:08 PM

Bump For Lego Please!! Im Out !!

**ecto9** · 02-07-2008, 06:43 PM

Hey guys, could decca shut you down longer, or what I mean is, can it be harder to recover from decca than test because it stays in your system longer, cause longer half life? (I hear it takes about 18mo to fully clear your system.)

**rampage12** · 02-07-2008, 06:46 PM

y does it even matter who in the phuck is gonna take 2 grams of deca a week , hell 1 gram a week is a shit load so why even ask, id be less worried bout natty test and more worried bout long term sides from a dose like that

**Alex Rodriguez** · 02-07-2008, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Panzerfaust80

well if thats ur woman i aint knockin her but she kinda looks like bill gates bro!!

i was boning her at fourteen if that makes any difference

**Alex Rodriguez** · 02-07-2008, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by kfrost06

I hate being wrong but this statement is wrong so I must clarify. Deca does not shut you down instantly in fact the strongest GnRH antagonist out there takes 12 hrs to castrate testosterone production. Here's the study,

"Effective suppression of luteinizing hormone and testosterone by single doses of the new gonadotropin-releasing hormone antagonist cetrorelix (SB-75) in normal men"

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/con...tract/75/2/393

Deca can take 5-10 days to shut you down completely according to the Minto study. The reason deca takes this long to suppress testosterone production is attributable to the fact that the overall kinetics of suppression of testosterone are dominated by the slow negative feedback system. The negative feedback is mediated via inhibition of pulsatile gonadotropin-releasing hormone(GnRH) secretion from hypothalamic neurons into the pituitary portal system and then pituitary LH secretion from gonadotropes.

I am still under the belief that deca shuts you down "harder" and faster then test from my personal experience however give me some more time to read up on it. I'll be back(said like the governator).

damn 5 days then the first shot? well i guess i should switch steroids then

**Alex Rodriguez** · 02-07-2008, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by rampage12

y does it even matter who in the phuck is gonna take 2 grams of deca a week , hell 1 gram a week is a shit load so why even ask, id be less worried bout natty test and more worried bout long term sides from a dose like that

im just gonna be honest, i was thinking about doing 2500mg test e a week with 1000mg deca . 60 mg d-bol for first 6 weeks, whole cycle lasting 12 weeks, gonna arimdex for estrogen blocker.

**Alex Rodriguez** · 02-07-2008, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Panzerfaust80

well if thats ur woman i aint knockin her but she kinda looks like bill gates bro!!

im the latino lover boy in the pic, if u haven't noticed i just took my first cycle and thats why i look kinda pumped up.

**Panzerfaust80** · 02-08-2008, 07:25 AM

LMAO alex..

**largerthannormal** · 02-08-2008, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Njord

Yeah that really cleared it up for me. You are clearly a mental giant

why does this signify im a mental giant? first off im only 190lbs 5'9" ..u asked for someone to clear this up for u . so i did. i was not intending to flame you . appearantly u couldnt understand it in steroid terms so i used a kiddish metaphor to sum it up. i really dont appreciate the name calling over a computer..heres another metaphor..fighting over a computer is like punching a wall (who really wins???) and whats on the other side of the wall?

**lex57** · 02-08-2008, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Njord

Yeah that really cleared it up for me. You are clearly a mental giant

hahahhaha that is pretty funny i guess anything you type with caps lock on is just right. "the world is flat"..............THIS IS ALL THE PROOF WE NEED. DONT NEED ANY STUDIES OR OTHER INFO TO EXPLAIN! i just thought it was funny. sorry in advance for any ruffled feathers.

**Seattle Junk** · 02-09-2008, 01:49 PM

The point is that you will not feel like a eunich when your HPTA stops working while on test compared to deca only. You will still have a sex drive and you will have a much better sense of well being with test in your cycle compared to deca only. If you are shut down while on deca only with no testosterone in your system you will have no sex drive, you will feel depressed and hopeless and your balls will be missing.

I don't think anbody has mentioned taking low dose (500ius) HCG (Pregnyl) around the middle/end of your cycle on a e3d format? That is very important and most people do not know how to use HCG correctly. HCG is to keep your balls at normal size after you have shut down WHILE ON CYCLE and clomid and nolva is used to kick your HPTA back in after all drugs have left your system in PCT. If you have any knowledge in using AAS you will know that PCT is more important than the AAS cycle itself. Especially as you get older. Don't you want to keep the hard earned gains that you worked for? Or do you want to shrink back to what you were or put on more fat and lose lbm at the same time? Wow, that's sexy. Improper or non existent PCT is what makes all year around AAS users into meat yo-yos when they try to come off. They start to shrink then they go right back on... Idiots! They simply do not know what a proper PCT is. Read!!!!!