someone explain this to me

**rabidsquirrel** · 02-08-2008, 06:09 PM

my buddy as very low test levels so he went to the doctor to get hrt doses of test. the docteor told him he would put him on test for 6 months and check his level once about half way though and again at the end . once his levels are back to normal he will take him off the test and see if it has improved he natty test levels. so why would that help me get natty levels back up? why wouldnt he just be surpressed like me when i get off cycle? also the doc told him that after his 6 months was done if he didnt get his levels up he wanted to try a new test that you only inject once every six months. he said must test peeks at one week and last about two, this new stuff doesnt peak just keeps steady levels. what is this?

**rabidsquirrel** · 02-08-2008, 06:31 PM

i will get back on here tomorrow. so post away till then please. i just courious if i was to do test a little longer, at the end of a cycle at a low dose, would it help recover sooner.

**damiongage** · 02-08-2008, 07:38 PM

I am not sure I would want something in me that would last for six months....even if it was test....

**kfrost06** · 02-08-2008, 07:43 PM

ask your doctor the name of the drug. I would not want something in me that long either. I also question how doing hrt can raise your natty test levels, the opposite happens.

**Barkley9** · 02-08-2008, 11:13 PM

bump

**Kale** · 02-09-2008, 01:58 AM

Clearly this Dr does not have a fvcking clue what he is talking about with regards to HRT. Most dont with regards to treating HRT. As far as the new Test is concerned thats new to me. I will do some research on that

**rabidsquirrel** · 02-09-2008, 05:23 PM

thats what i was thinking when my buddy told me about it. but this doctor is very well known. he has been in the paper many times for awards hes gotten. i will find out more and post any new info i can get.

**Schmidty** · 02-09-2008, 05:29 PM

I know a Dr that hooks up a NFL team n that is who told me about this test ur talkn bout. He said its the same ester thats attached to the depo/birth-controll shot. 4 TRT u only have to go get a shot every3months. Could he be BSn me? Yes. I only met him a few times, i really dont even know if he really gets this NFL team ther gear. But he deff Knows a thing or2bout gear.

**N4cer** · 02-09-2008, 05:37 PM

Dang it, I forget what the test is, but there is a new long estered test that they're looking at releasing soon for HRT in the US. I'll ask my buddy the name tonight, but I believe the ester is an undecylenate ester.

Remember, bb'ers over-complicate things. Even endos don't worry so much about stable hormone levels. They just make sure you're above baseline.

**ecto9** · 02-09-2008, 05:41 PM

Hey now... I could be wrong about this, but dosen't there exist an implant that lasts that long? I seem to remember hearing or reading something about it..

**N4cer** · 02-09-2008, 06:08 PM

Yup pellets are old school and some guys love them.

**peachfuzz** · 02-09-2008, 06:16 PM

Testosterone buciclate (20 Aet-1) in hypogonadal men: pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of the new long-acting androgen ester
HM Behre and E Nieschlag
Institute of Reproductive Medicine of the University, Munster, Germany.

Due to unfavorable pharmacokinetics of the available androgen esters for substitution therapy of male hypogonadism, there is a demand for new testosterone (T) preparations producing constant serum levels in the physiological range. To assess the pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of the new ester testosterone buciclate (TB) [20 Aet- 1] in hypogonadal men a clinical phase I-study was performed. After two control examinations 8 male patients with primary hypogonadism were randomly assigned to 2 treatment groups (n = 2 x 4) given single doses of either 200 (group I) or 600 mg (group II) TB im. Blood samples were obtained 1, 2, 3, 5, and 7 days post injection and then weekly in the course of 4 months. In group I serum androgen levels did not rise to normal values. However, in group II androgens increased significantly and were maintained in the normal range up to 12 weeks with maximal serum levels of 13.1 +/- 0.9 nmol/L (mean +/- SE) in study week 6. No initial peak release of T was observed in either study group. Pharmacokinetic analysis revealed a terminal elimination t1/2 beta of 29.5 +/- 3.9 days and a mean residence time of 65.0 +/- 9.9 days in group II. In one patient in group II dihydrotestosterone levels slightly exceeded the upper normal limit during the study course. Sex hormone-binding globulin remained unchanged and estradiol serum levels never exceeded the normal range in any patient. In group II gonadotropins were significantly suppressed, whereas no change was seen in group I. A significant increase in body weight, hematological parameters, and libido/potency was observed after TB injection which was more pronounced in the higher dose group. Regardless of the dose administered, no significant change was seen in uroflow, prostate volume measured by transrectal ultrasonography, or prostate specific antigen. No adverse side-effects including changes in clinical chemistry were observed. In conclusion, single injections of 600 mg TB in hypogonadal patients show favorable pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics. This new long-acting T ester is a promising new agent for substitution therapy of male hypogonadism and for male contraception.

**rabidsquirrel** · 02-11-2008, 04:35 PM

cool, so that would be the test he talked about. now whats up with telling me that it could help get hus natty test levels right? is there any truth to this at all?