Another tren quesiton thread, please help.

**dman7** · 02-24-2008, 03:30 PM

Ok I am starting my Tren Acate cycle up for 10 weeks to lose fat and gain lean muscle mass. I was thinking of starting off at 50mg every day until I see what sides I gain. I have read that these sides can range from insomnia to acne or the 'tren cough'.

I wanted to know how to avoid the 'tren cough' and also if 50mg every day is good for a beginner. I would like veterans on this topic to answer to this thread because I am a very paranoid person and like to make a contingency plan for everything just incase my first plan does not go well.

NOTE: I am pretty nervous about the negative sides but very uplifted when I hear about the positive ones. I think I can handle a full cycle at low dosage just for the shear fact that I will get terrific results in the end.

Please tell me what sides you have faced and any tips for a beginner like myself. thankyou in advance!

**Bigmax** · 02-24-2008, 03:33 PM

Bro at 50mgs a Ed you be ok...I know guys that go 50 EOD day and do well...are you doing anything else with it???..Like some Test prop??

**dman7** · 02-24-2008, 03:40 PM

nope I am just doing it because I do not want size, just cuts and loss of fat

also what is the difference between tren A and tren E?

thanks for helping me out, i know it can be very irritating helping us newbies out hehe

and to clarify, 50mg every day you think ill be perfectly fine with the sides and still get the results i want right?

**Big** · 02-24-2008, 03:42 PM

Tren a is a short ester where tren e is long. Have you done any research to find why tren by itself is often a very, very bad idea?

**Big** · 02-24-2008, 03:42 PM

What are your stats, and what will your pct be?

**dman7** · 02-24-2008, 03:43 PM

My stats are

5'8 250
19 years old

and my PCT will be novadex.. also why is tren by itself a very very bad idea?

i dont get what 'short ester' and 'long ester' is

**naturalsux** · 02-24-2008, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Big

Tren a is a short ester where tren e is long. Have you done any research to find why tren by itself is often a very, very bad idea?

Good luck with this one, Big.

**Bigmax** · 02-24-2008, 03:50 PM

Because your willy will wobble bro...thats why BIG asked if youve read....There is such a thing as "tren Dick"...when your HPTA system shuts down and tren will do it you will have problems bro...good thing is you havent started yet ...READ bro..

**dman7** · 02-24-2008, 03:52 PM

so what should i take with it, im starting to think taking it is not a good idea at all but i already forked over the money for the PCT and the 10 week tren cycle.

I need a lot of help I know, when i research it I can not find a straight answer on what to do.. =/ can someone give me a full set of advice on what exactly to do when trying to lose fat with tren A in the healthiest way possible

**Big** · 02-24-2008, 03:52 PM

5'8" and 250lbs, what is your body fat%?
Tren is a 19nor compound and will completely stop your natural testosterone production from the very first shot. Your body needs testosterone in it for a variety of reasons. To be honest it sounds like you really haven't researched this at all, please do before you hurt yourself.

**dman7** · 02-24-2008, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Big

5'8" and 250lbs, what is your body fat%?
Tren is a 19nor compound and will completely stop your natural testosterone production from the very first shot. Your body needs testosterone in it for a variety of reasons. To be honest it sounds like you really haven't researched this at all, please do before you hurt yourself.

I have been researching for a few weeks now, I just cannot find a great source of info on everything I need.

a friend of mine who took it told me all i need to do is take it in small doses and after my 10 weeks is up, take my PCT (Novadex) and I will be fine. I am getting frustrated and I do not want to hurt myself, that is why I turned to you guys to help me understand fully what it is I need to do to do this cycle the healthiest way possible

also I am not sure of my bodyfat % but I am sure it is pretty high, I have a good amount of fat on top of the underlying muscle

**Big** · 02-24-2008, 03:57 PM

What you need to hear, you won't want to hear. If you have a good bit of fat, you should not be cycling. You should be following a good diet, doing cardio and training until you are around 15%bf. After a lot of training and research, you still shouldn't use tren alone, and shouldn't use tren for a first cycle. Save the tren, it will keep.

**dman7** · 02-24-2008, 03:58 PM

so basically just let my tren sit here and rot for eternity? right? lol id rather do that and waste the 270$ then hurt myself

**Big** · 02-24-2008, 04:00 PM

It won't rot, keep it in a dark, room temperature place and it will be good for years.

**dman7** · 02-24-2008, 04:03 PM

what do you recommend i do, i want to drop 40 pounds of fat by july for a vacation to the bahamas.. i thought this would do the trick lol but i guess not.. im going to ask my friend who i bought it from if i can trade it for something else

**Big** · 02-24-2008, 04:06 PM

My advice is to set reasonable, obtainable goals. Head to the diet forum and read up on cutting diets, get on a good solid routine of diet, cardio and training, and work toward your goals. Steroids should be used to help get past a plateau when after doing everything properly for a very long time you start to reach your genetic limits. You are far from that.

**dman7** · 02-24-2008, 04:09 PM

ok thanks.. im pretty upset now.. but lets say I did take the 10 weeks of low dosage tren A.. and then the novadex pct after.. what kind of 'bad things' am i looking at for the future

**Big** · 02-24-2008, 04:11 PM

impotence is likely, do you really need more than that?

**dman7** · 02-24-2008, 04:14 PM

ok

i thought that impotence was cured by taking novadex (pct) and all the sides like that were stopped with novadex

**Big** · 02-24-2008, 04:16 PM

I'm sorry bro, I know you are anxious, and I know none of this is what you want to hear. I come across as rough at times, but the reason I am here doing what I do is to try to keep people pointed in the right direction and help them to make educated decisions that they won't regret later. Good luck.

**dman7** · 02-24-2008, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Big

I'm sorry bro, I know you are anxious, and I know none of this is what you want to hear. I come across as rough at times, but the reason I am here doing what I do is to try to keep people pointed in the right direction and help them to make educated decisions that they won't regret later. Good luck.

ya i know and i solute you for that

**dman7** · 02-24-2008, 04:23 PM

ONE MORE THING and ill be gone for a while lol

You said that if it is taken how i was planning ill get impotence. Is that a PERMANENT affect or jsut temporary until I start my PCT cycle of Novadex?

**Big** · 02-24-2008, 04:32 PM

Everyone is different, doubtful it would be permanent, but it is likely that you could have ed at least for a while. Sadly, even if you did take it as planned, you would likely be disappointed with the results. How long have you been working out seriously, and what does your weekly routine look like?

**Pooks** · 02-24-2008, 04:44 PM

Tren is not a weight loss miracle drug..

**dman7** · 02-24-2008, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Big

Everyone is different, doubtful it would be permanent, but it is likely that you could have ed at least for a while. Sadly, even if you did take it as planned, you would likely be disappointed with the results. How long have you been working out seriously, and what does your weekly routine look like?

I have been working out seriously for about a week and a half now, but have been dieting seriously for 2 months now. My weekly routine looks like this.

Monday: Chest with a light cardio at the end
Tuesday: Back with light cardio
Wed: shoulders with light cardio
Thurs: arms with light cardio
Friday: chest with light cardio
and on saturday I do abs/heavier cardio

I know it isnt a weightloss miracle drug but i have heard it helps dramatically. My friend who took it said that if I take it in small doses (50mg every day) I will be fine and might experience temporary impotence but once I take Novadex everything will be regulated and I will be back to my old self again. I am just looking for a clarification of this.. I can sacrifice 10 weeks of sex (yes it is hard but is a must) for this drug.

If the temporary impotence is all i have to worry about then I think I might do it still alone still.. of course taking novadex pct at the end of the cycle.

and when you said 'but it is likely that you could have ed at least for a while' what does that mean?

**Misery13** · 02-24-2008, 05:06 PM

you need some more time in the gym training and more time in the books or on here reading before you do any kind of cycle at all especially at age 19...you need a good base first...

**dman7** · 02-24-2008, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Misery13

you need some more time in the gym training and more time in the books or on here reading before you do any kind of cycle at all especially at age 19...you need a good base first...

I think I will listen to the experts on it hehe no offense.. I have been told that but I am very ****us to start now. I have read a lot but it is like a different language to me, the only way I will learn is from someone directly telling me. And if Temporary Impotence is the biggest risk I am taking for 10 weeks while on it, so be it, bigger payoff in the end. I just want to make sure there wont be anything long term that I will regret.

**Big** · 02-24-2008, 05:23 PM

There could also be long term effects. I feel like I'm wasting my time here to be honest with you. You are overweight and out of shape, and have only been working out for a couple weeks. If you woke up tomorrow with an extra 30lbs of muscles, your joints and connective tissue are also out of shape and couldn't handle it. You would be lucky if you didn't to permanent damage to your body as it is no where near it's genetic potential or prepared for added muscle. I've already told you that steroids should only be used when after doing everything properly for a very long time you hit a plateau and want to exceed your genetic potential. What you want is a quick answer and I have a feeling you will keep asking people till someone tells you what you want to hear, then you will do it.

**PEWN** · 02-24-2008, 05:25 PM

wow... big you must be loved at work...?

**Big** · 02-24-2008, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by PEWN

wow... big you must be loved at work...?

doesn't matter, I'm the boss

**dman7** · 02-24-2008, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Big

There could also be long term effects. I feel like I'm wasting my time here to be honest with you. You are overweight and out of shape, and have only been working out for a couple weeks. If you woke up tomorrow with an extra 30lbs of muscles, your joints and connective tissue are also out of shape and couldn't handle it. You would be lucky if you didn't to permanent damage to your body as it is no where near it's genetic potential or prepared for added muscle. I've already told you that steroids should only be used when after doing everything properly for a very long time you hit a plateau and want to exceed your genetic potential. What you want is a quick answer and I have a feeling you will keep asking people till someone tells you what you want to hear, then you will do it.

I finally understand lol. You are not wasting your time by the way, you are helping someone who really needs it. And no I won't keep asking until I get an answer I want. Honestly all I wanted to know is what negative things could happen to me and you finally opened up and told me.

1. Temporary Impotence (hard side to deal with while it happens)
2. My joints could be permanently damaged because it would be adding more weight to something that is not strong enough to support it.

The whole point of this thread was to find out what could happen to me because I am a very stubborn person who would probably have done whatever I could for a quick fix without taking the proper precautions. Thankyou for telling me what could happen to me and if that is everything that can happen to me then the thread is over. I will not take it until I am fully prepared to and I hit the 'plateau' because I definitely do not want to mess around with my joints and not be able to play sports ever again. And if there are any other sides to be careful about for future ref. do not be shy to tell me, this is a thread to help me not hurt me, remember? hehe

**Big** · 02-24-2008, 05:55 PM

I told you I was wasting my time:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=332671

**dman7** · 02-24-2008, 06:00 PM

I am asking for future reference, I would still like to know information even if I am not taking it right away, your advice was to read read read was it not?

**Big** · 02-24-2008, 06:02 PM

If that is all you took out of my advice, good luck, you will need it.

**dman7** · 02-24-2008, 06:05 PM

lol, i never said thats all i took from your advice, i got a lot out of it and that other post is so i can get more out of it, i am confused on the PCT so i posted on the PCT thread with a question.. is that not what i am supposed to do? and i am still confused on what to take with tren and what to do with the PCT when ready (how many days after cycle, how often)