Test E, Anapolon cycle, please critique

**Referee** · 03-24-2008, 01:21 PM

Hi guyz and gals,

Today I started the below cycle and need your priceless advise before it's too late.
The first few weeks are almost identical to what I have asked your opinion to a few months back.

Week 1-6: Anapolon 50mg/ED
Week 1-12: Testoviron (Test E) 500mg/EW (split in 2 doses)
Week 1-14: Nolvadex 20mg/ED
Week 1-14: Proviron 25mg/ED

AR PCT (Starting 2 weeks after last Test E shot:
Week 15-17: HCG 500iu/ED
Week 15-17: Vitamin E 1000iu/ED
Week 15-20: Nolvadex 20mg/ED
Week 15-20: Aromasin 25mgs/ED

Liver Protection (for A-bombs):
Week 1-6: CNP Pro-Vital (includes Milk Thistle at approx 500mg/ED)
Week 1-6: Neurobion (B Complex: B2, B6 & B12)

My diet is focused on lean muscle gains.
A lot of cardio is included in this cycle which in conjunction with Proviron and Nolvadex combo will hopefully reduce the bloatness and water retention to the minimum.

Questions:
1) What do you think of the above cycle?
2) Planning on adding Winny for Weeks 8-12 for muscle hardness, what do you think?
3) I'm a bit unsure of Weeks 12-14, the two weeks between last Test E shot and PCT. is there anything to worry about it that you would advise against?

Done 3 cycles in the past with Deca , D-bol & Sustanon
Current stats: 28yo, 207lbs, 5.94"

Thanks in advance...

**jAcKeD!!!!** · 03-24-2008, 01:44 PM

whats ur reason for running nolvadex and proviron throughout the whole cycle?

**Referee** · 03-24-2008, 04:54 PM

Well, obviously I chose Nolvadex purely as a SERM.

Altough Proviron may support the use of Nolvadex, it was mainly introduced here because of its higher affinity in binding to SHBG and albumin hopefully enhancing the potency of Test by allowing more of it to circulate.

Not sure of any sides while running both during cycle but I am thinking of dropping Nolvadex while on cycle and have it only for PCT.
what do you all think?

Any misfact on the above or any comment or advice will be greatly appreciated.

**Referee** · 03-25-2008, 03:53 PM

bump...

**nowdenlid** · 03-25-2008, 03:57 PM

useing nolva thuout the cycle will block most est hindering gains ,i wouldent run nolva thu cycle at all,just use if you start getting gyno...

**Referee** · 03-26-2008, 04:24 AM

thx for the reply 'nowdenlid'.
I dropped Nolvadex 2 days ago, only took it the first day and I will just run Proviron during cycle but should I continue it the 2 weeks between last test shot and PCT?

Also, any suggestions on adding Winny to the last 4 weeks of the cycle?

**ChuckLee** · 03-26-2008, 04:57 AM

I hope you're using Proviron to keep your mass lean and don't get bloat.
If you wanna add Winny the last weeks I suggest to keep the Anapolon for 4 weeks, since Winny is a 17-aa too and 1 week of rest for your liver is a bit poor IMO, so you'll have weeks 5-7 for your liver to repair possible damaged tissues from the toxic compound.

CL

**Referee** · 03-26-2008, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by ChuckLee

I hope you're using Proviron to keep your mass lean and don't get bloat.
If you wanna add Winny the last weeks I suggest to keep the Anapolon for 4 weeks, since Winny is a 17-aa too and 1 week of rest for your liver is a bit poor IMO, so you'll have weeks 5-7 for your liver to repair possible damaged tissues from the toxic compound.

CL

Thx CL, that's exactly what I was thinking that's why with my original schedule adding Winny the last 4 weeks 9-12 (also the last 4 weeks of test) will leave weeks 7 and 8 for liver recovering.
Those 2 weeks can become 4 if I double the Anapolon dose to 100mg for Weeks 2 and 3 which will hopefully give more time to the liver.

I may, however, be able to get my hands on injectable Winny which will retain higher nitrogen balance and won't put more strain to the liver enabling me effectively to run it for the last 6 weeks instead of just 4 (dose will be kept the same).

Proviron was not only added to reduce bloating aiming for leaner muscle gains but also because of its effect on SHBG which Winny will support.

To recap the above cycle becomes:
Week 1 & 4: Anapolon 50mg/ED
Week 2 & 3: Anapolon 100mg/ED
Week 1-12: Testoviron (Test E) 500mg/EW (split in 2 doses)
Week 9-12: Winny 50mgs/ED (or Week 7-12 in injectable form)
Week 1-14: Proviron 25mg/ED

AR PCT (Starting 2 weeks after last Test E shot:
Week 15-17: HCG 500iu/ED
Week 15-17: Vitamin E 1000iu/ED
Week 15-20: Nolvadex 20mg/ED
Week 15-20: Aromasin 25mgs/ED

I'm still worried about the two weeks between the last test shot and PCT where I only run Proviron (Weeks 12-14).
Is this good for bringing me to the PCT?