My DNP Log

[peteroy01]

i already eat a minimum of 5 times a day, and yesterday night i ordered the lipodrene. i get plenty of caffeine via Coffee. heres a rough estimate of my next cycle
DNP 200mg ed 14days.
Ephedra 50mg ed 14days.
1 wk after DNP, Clen for 2 or 3wks.(will use benedryl for 1wk after DNP)

[jc95605]

Why you gonna run the benedryl? Other than that looks pretty good. I took 3 lipodrenes a day when i was on it tho. I just wanted to mention that b4, about the caffine/energy level with taking lipodrene but if you have another source of caffine like coffee then you should be fine. I just didn't want you to be disappointed. Is there a reason you only gonna run 200mgs ed of DNP ? If that what works for you then go for it, i'm just curious. I would suggest you add some multi vitamins or at least 1000mgs of vitamin C and E. While on DNP your immune system is weaker hence the vitamin C. The vitamin E strengthens your heart. Since you'll be really working your heart out (literally) its a good idea to strengthen it up, also it'll help with heart/chest pains. Believe me i know. I posted that earlier in this log. I got plently of both these vitamins at wal mart for under $10, its worth it. Also how much clen you gonna run.

Well I weighed myself today after breakfast......still 164. The scale looked slightly off, a lil on the heavy side; but i don't wanna get myself worked up so i'll say 164. I plan on going to the gym sometime tomorrow so expect another weight update. I kinda wanna start pushing myself a lil harder, I might be able to now that i stopped the DNP. Whenever i would try while on DNP it seemed like i was too tired to lift the bar. Once I start my tbol cycle i'm gonna change up my routine as well. What you guys think? Let me know whats going on with that cycle peteroy01 looks good tho.

[peteroy01]

the benedryl is to clear my receptors from the ephedra so i can run the clen . i already take a multi-vit and 1g of Vit-C ed.

200mg DNP - working in a hospital so dont want to be totally drenched with sweat or curious Dr.s breathing down my neck.

[rickrick55]

good thinkin

[jc95605]

good thinkin. Benedryl clears your receptors? Hmm didn't know that. Good thing to know maybe i could take that inbetween clen and ephedra. I also read that you can take clen and ephedra back to back. If you go to the educational threads and read the post named "clenbuterol handbook" you'll find it. Now I dunno if i should run them back to back or together. I'm going to the gym in awhile, i'll post again later.

[peteroy01]

i think you read that wrong. might want to read it again. ephedra uses the alpha and beta receptors and clen just uses Beta receptors. so as you know clen starts to loose its effects after 2 wks because of the saturated receptors. thats why people used to use clen 2wks on 2wks off. but now i think because of Anthony Roberts benedryl(Diphenhydramine) is found to clear receptor sites. so now one can use clen for an extended amount of time using 50mg of Diphenhydramine every 3rd wk for a wk. do a search for benedryl or Diphenhydramine and you should find loads of information.

[peteroy01]

O and taking clen and ephedra together is a waist. the receptors sites mostly use the ephedra so the clen is waisted for the most part.

[jc95605]

Oh no i wouldn't take em together, i meant after i'm done with the clen switching to ephedra for a few weeks then back to clen and so forth. I'm considering it right now but haven't made a decision yet. Thats the first i heard of that, i would think if its actually true that i would have heard more about it.

Anyway, just got back from the gym. Workout was alot better, alot more energy. I'm taking the formadrol and the 1GH1 still. I'm gonna keep taking that until i'm off of DNP completely, (until my weight drops, thats gonna be my indicator). After that i'm gonna switch to the tbol and i'm gonna stack it with methyl 1-d (test booster) and 1GH1 (growth hormone ); thats what i'm thinking of right now anyway. I think adding the 1GH1 was a good idea, for some reason my workouts seem to be more intense since being on it, even when i was on DNP. I thought the DNP would kind of make it unoticable but i guess i was wrong. So I just weighed myself at the gym. After eating lunch and drinking my protein 12oz protein shake i weighed in at 165. That means i'm just maintaining my weight right now. still hasn't dropped off yet. I'm already at my 4th day off, how long is this crap gonna take! I guess your not the only one peter. Let me know what you guys think of my upcoming cycle.

[peteroy01]

dont run the clen or Ephedra back to back either. like i said your receptors need time to clear. i would take a wk off and take 50mg of Benedryl then start your clen

[peteroy01]

i have a feeling that your weight should go down tomorrow or the day after. remember you were taking more than i was so it might take you a day or 2 longer.

[jc95605]

are you talking about the allergy medicine? where you get yours? that stuff makes you tired doesn't it? I never heard that but if you say it works why not.

[peteroy01]

yeah its an anti-histimine. Benedryls active ingredient along with most over the counter sleep meds is Diphenhydramine as well. and yes it makes you sleepy. i take mine an hour or 2 before bed.

[jc95605]

You know peter i just noticed my advilPM has 38gs of it. i've been taking it for about a week now. hell that won't be any problem then. So i can go 6wks straight on clen right? I read that handbook but after you said i'm not really using it for a source. You seem to know what your talking about about receptors. Maybe I'll stop the clen tomorrow and then i'll start my tbol on thursday so i can restart my clen about a week after i started the tbol. the soonest i've heard noticing results on tbol is a week so thats another idea. What you think? I'll weigh myself later and post again.

[rickrick55]

hey guys! just took my first pill today! should i make my own log or do you guys not care? lol

[peteroy01]

Rick- id read it if that helps you.
JC- also look up Keto. its another anti-histamine thats supposed to be better than benedryl but its arguable. that clen handbook was written or posted in 2002 so you might want to search for a newer thread. keep on searching Clen and Benedryl and you'll walk away with loads of new info. ive read all this stuff before but now that i have a basic understanding of pathophysiology it all makes a lot more since. let me know if you guys need anything.

[rickrick55]

pete- i am going to send you a pm in a sec..

[Jay-Ace]

(Ok, maybe I should try reading ALL the pages before commenting!! lol)

Sorry to bump an old(ish) post but......

Gonna have to agree with Seattle on this one, why oh why do people use DNP and then have a crap diet like this?!?!?!

Both invid and jc.... You're both wrong in a few ways!!

JC... My advice to you is to take DNP a lil more seriously if you're going to do it again. For a start is the ice-cream you were eating dairy free?? I hope so for you (and your eyes) sake!! That diet SERIOUSLY sucked man... You would have probably seen good results on a great diet, but then again on a great diet you would have shed weight naturally ;-)

Oh... And I'll welcome myself back after a long time away lol

[jc95605]

Since the last time i posted the diet i changed it. I don't any ice cream i eat 5x a day now. All low fat meals moderate carbs, its kinda hard to find low fat and low carbs, but anyway. After i changed my diet my weight did start going down again. I used mutli vitamins and added more vitamin C and E and alpha liptic acid. The pyurate and glycerol i never used. Didn't think i needed it, after i switched to clen and started eating 5x a day my weight started to drop again. I like to hear other ppls opinions and input. However if your going to criticize my thread or my cycle at least make it constuctive. If you gonna come in here and just cap on my cycle without knowing all the facts acting like you know everything about everything, save it for somebody else's thread.

As for you rickrick, if you were to make a thread then i would definately read it. At least keep me posted to whats going on. Send me a pm at least and lemme know what your doing. Did you do the 3 day carb deplete b4 you started? If you didn't abort now and do the carb deplete. Let me know whats going on with you, i'm curious to see how it works.

Day 5 Off
I just got out of school and weighed myself. I weighed in at 170. Keep it mind that i had these heavy ass jeans and huge steel toe boots on, plus i just ate. So i'm thinking that number is inaccurate. If i go out again after i change and everything i'll weigh again but i doubt it. I just wanted to post something cuz i said i would. Soon as i weigh again i'll repost.

[jc95605]

One more thing rickrick, remember what i peteroy about the vitamin C, E and the alpha liptic acid. You'll definately need them. Get back to me when you can.

[Jay-Ace]

Since the last time i posted the diet i changed it. I don't any ice cream i eat 5x a day now. All low fat meals moderate carbs, its kinda hard to find low fat and low carbs, but anyway. After i changed my diet my weight did start going down again. I used mutli vitamins and added more vitamin C and E and alpha liptic acid. The pyurate and glycerol i never used. Didn't think i needed it, after i switched to clen and started eating 5x a day my weight started to drop again. I like to hear other ppls opinions and input. However if your going to criticize my thread or my cycle at least make it constuctive. If you gonna come in here and just cap on my cycle without knowing all the facts acting like you know everything about everything, save it for somebody else's thread.

As for you rickrick, if you were to make a thread then i would definately read it. At least keep me posted to whats going on. Send me a pm at least and lemme know what your doing. Did you do the 3 day carb deplete b4 you started? If you didn't abort now and do the carb deplete. Let me know whats going on with you, i'm curious to see how it works.

Day 5 Off
I just got out of school and weighed myself. I weighed in at 170. Keep it mind that i had these heavy ass jeans and huge steel toe boots on, plus i just ate. So i'm thinking that number is inaccurate. If i go out again after i change and everything i'll weigh again but i doubt it. I just wanted to post something cuz i said i would. Soon as i weigh again i'll repost.

1) That WAS constructive.... Your diet sucked ass!!! lol
2) Please dont tell the guy to abort and then restart with a carb deplete, that's quite counter-productive!! After starting the DNP the glycogen stores will already be depleted within a matter of just 1 maybe 2 doses.

Don't take it uber-personally but your diet, cycle, supps and attitude show that you haven't done a whole host of research on the substance, it's affects and what not. Or at least if you have you've not fully understood everything and possibly made some quick assumptions.

But don't fret as all is not lost (unless you die ) and IF you decide to go for another cycle of the Devil's wonder drug I'm sure you'll use more caution and might actually see some results this time!!

Some random points in no particular order of importance:

Don't be taking stimulants after like 4pm as it will influence your sleep patterns more (assuming you have a regular day-night cycle)

SERIOUSLY consider not bothering with ephedrine/clen on a further cycle

Make sure to cut out as much dairy product as you can.... except those gorgeous chunks of the dairy moo'er themselves, especially a good rib-eye

Hoodia is good to keep the carb cravings under control, consider alternatives as well if you can't get hoodia singularly

Supplement your diet with magnesium, magnesium malate is a good start.

Did you have a potassium supp?? Couldn't see one.... But you need it!!


Lots of little things like that scream out at me telling me you jumped into that cycle blind, I would HATE to see your 1st cycle and if the suspisions of Galactose affecting cataract formation in the eyes you may have already sowed the seeds for some long-term eye problems.

It still strikes me as odd that peeps are now cycling AAS's and Test in with the DNP and would love to see some evidence of what effect this has?!?!? There's no way your body is going to be in an anabolic state while cycling DNP and if you 're using it to prevent the DNP from scavenging protein from muscle mass etc then you're basically admitting that your diet is bad (just a general statement, not pointing fingers!!). A good 55/35/10 or 50/35/15 diet will give your body more than enough protein to maintain itself. A secondary point on this is the effects of AAS's and enzymes within the body... But that's a whole new kettle of fish

Another point is using ALA (Alpha Lipoic Acid).... This has an isulin mimic effect in that it aids glucose transportation from blood to cells causing blood sugar levels to drop. DNP users can at times already have borderline hypoglycaemia and ALA could tip the scales in teh wrong direction here. Yes it's a great anti-oxidant but this insulin like property is undesirable so I would urge you to be cautious unless you monitor your blood sugar. The last thing I;d wanna hear is "Ok.... so I went into a coma today!!"

There's prolly more but I think that will suffice for now .....

On your side bro so don;t take it teh wrong way, I quite like DNP and you might find some tips in my log?!?!


PS. Sorry for the bad spelling, uber tired!! lol

[jc95605]

Ok well....where to start. I don't eat ice cream anymore so thats not an issue. I don't take stimulats after 4pm cuz obviously it would keep you up and i have trouble enough sleeping. the ALA i did notice low-blood sugar sympotons now that you mention. According to the DNP diet that i read it said that i could adjust carbs if i wanted to. So thats what i did. instead of taking 20% i think i went up to about 35-40%. As we know carbs are like sugar in the sense that they give you energy. After i changed my diet to 5x a day which in term upped the carbs i had more energy, i wasn't so lethgric or light-headed. I'm thinking it was because of the carb increase? Although i'll admit i'm not 100% positive. My muti-vitamin did have magnesium in it. Umm the diet also recommended taking ephedra to help with fat loss and energy levels. I was never a fan of ephedra doesn't seem strong enough for me so thats why i switched to clen . Although the shaking gets a lil annoying but its worth it to me i guess. And don't worry i can't spell either which i'm sure you already noticed. See now wasn't that constructive.

[jc95605]

One more quick point, the diet said that since your taking the DNP and your metabolsim is so high that taking more carbs doesn't really matter, that the DNP is just gonna burn right thru it. Otherwise i try to minimize my carb intake so i get my energy from fat. Just wanted to point that out. Matter of fact since your here, you know of any low carb foods. The only ones i can think of are meat and chicken but i can't afford steak everyday and theres so many things you can do with chicken, lol. Any ideas? And please don't be like some ppl and expect me to get home and be a experienced chef and cook for and hour and a half cooking dinner. Something practicle I need some new ideas.

[rickrick55]

tuna is my favorite!

[Jay-Ace]

Yeah DNP will churn through a lot of carbs if they're there but that's counter-productive in your goal of losing fat.... Ideally you want enough carbs to stay healthy but for teh DNP to really start burning through the stored fat in your body.

I've gotta say bud.... "5x a day" isn't a diet, what really counts is what you're actually shovelling in. In a perfect world we would be able to eat like 16 very small meals a day, like 1 for every waking hour. This type of "grazing" keeps your metabolism in a perpetual state of action, absolutely ideal for all sorts of reasons but that's just not practical for 99.9999% of the world's population. In your case I would be at 5 meals a day min, more like trying to hit 8 though would be fantastic and make sure that your meals stick to the macro balance. Highs & lows of anything just aren't any good.

Lots of people can't afford to eat steak everyday so you're not alone, but they're are excellent (and better) alternatives which can be just as tasty and possibly even simpler to cook. For your sake get rid of thos weight watchers dinners and actually cook for yourself.

You don't have to be a chef to prepare yourself some fresh (or frozen) chicken/turkey with a simple tomato sauce and some wholemeal pasta. Like rickrick said, tuna is an awesome source of cheap and easy food!!

[jc95605]

Thats what i'm basing the diet off of.

UNoffical "How to Cut" thread and sample diet...

I didn't get to weigh myself today. I'm supposed to go to the gym tomorrow so we'll see where am at.

[jc95605]

Ok i just got back from the gym. today was awesome. Lots of changes. Today i switched up my chest excercises. I switched from barbell to dumbell and noticed it right away. My chest felt exhausted, like it was ripping apart; it was awesome! I switched my pec-dec butterflys up too. I'm doing a different excercises that changes the range or motion more towards my upper chest, again felt like my chest was ripping apart. Awesome feeling! I changed up my bicep excercises too. Just a great day all and all.

Anyway I finally got to weigh myself today and i weighed in at 166. That was after i ate lunch drank about 2 liters of water and my protein shake. I'm not really sure if that water weight from the DNP came off yet. Before I used to weigh myself before i ate, but since i started school all my weights are right after i eat so its hard to compare. I don't have school tomorrow maybe i'll go in the gym early and weigh myself like i used to to get a better idea. This weighing myself after I eat isn't kinda hard for me to figure out because its not the weigh i weighed myself b4 school if that makes any sense. What you guys think? Think i should?

Also I started my new cycle of tbol today. It felt great, i noticed a difference right away. My muscles were pumped up about 45 mins after i took it. According to the tbol logs that are on here that soonest that usually happens is a week after the person starts taking it. I think because I treated my DNP cycle as an PCT that might have contributed to the dramatic effect of the tbol today. I think thats why i just noticed it more. Anyway what you guys think? Maybe tomorrow we'll find out if that water weight came off huh peteroy? Thats really bugging me that i can't give you a straight answer. I'm gonna get to the bottom of it tho.

[peteroy01]

dude, go to walmart and buy a $15 digital scale. wake up, take a leak, hop on the scale. its the easiest and most accurate way of getting an accurate body weight. it takes all the guess work out of what did i eat, drink................

[jc95605]

lol, i'm gonna tomorrow. I'll repost tomorrow morning peteroy!

[jc95605]

I'm also thinking of revamping my ab program. I saw this in another thread, I just wanted to get your guys's opinion on it? I think its insane, but not impossible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk_usVg7Fp0

[jc95605]

I'm also wanting to revamp my ab program. I saw this one in another thread, i know it doesn't belong here but i just wanted to get you guy's opinion on it real quick because i was thinking about trying it tomorrow. The good thing about it is that he doesn't use any weights or equipment so you can do it anywhere. Looks insane but not impossible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk_usVg7Fp0

[rickrick55]

day 3-Fvkin sweatin after walking to my car with a 20 pound bag (like 300 yards)...christ..haha

[jc95605]

good that means its working. Your weight should start moving within the next couple of days. Are you noticing some results already?

I weighed in this morning at 166. I kinda went crazy yesterday tho. I slipped and had some chinese, ya ya ya I know I shouldn't of. And while i'm starting the tbol i'm off of clen . So as of right now i'm not taking ANY fat burners. I gonna take that Diphenhydramine for a week and cleanse my receptors like peteroy said. I haven't decided if i wanna take clen or ephedra tho. Right now i have a overstock of Lipodrene and "tri-stack." Both of those are ephedra based fat burners so it would make sense for me to have some of that to try and get rid of that stuff. What you guys think? Ephedra fat burners or clen?

[Crest]

is the any studys saying benydryl etc clear receptors?

[jc95605]

peteroy says there is. Peteroy can you send us a link? I never heard of it either. I would like to read it also.

[peteroy01]

go to steroid profiles and look up clen . its all right there.

[jc95605]

Here is the info that i found on taking clen and benadryl. Thanks peteroy. I copied and pasted this from steroid profiles:

Another option, if you are worried about receptor downgrade, is taking Benadryl, at around 50-100mgs/night before bed (every 3rd week or so, for that week). Benadryl is sold as an anti-histamine in the United States, and/or a sleep aid elsewhere in the world. However, Beta receptors are embedded in the cell´s outer phospholipid membrane. The stability of the membrane has a lot to do with the proper function of the receptors. Methylation of the phospholipids is stimulated by the binding of beta agonists to their receptors. Methylated phospholipids are foreign to the body, and when the body recognizes them as foreign, it breaks them down with phospholipase A2. This changes the structure of the outer membrane which results in desensitization of the beta receptors. On the other hand, agents that inhibit phospholipase A2 slow desensitization.

Cationic ampiphylic drugs are known for their ability to inhibit phospholipase A2. Benadryl (diphenhydramine) is a cationic ampiphylic drug.

Ergo, Benadryl slows desensitization of Beta receptors (i.e. Upgrades them) by inhibiting phospholipase A2, which is the enzyme that breaks down methylated phospholipids, and this action in turn keeps the phospholipid membrane stable, and thus keeps the receptors functioning properly. (7). This will allow you to use clen for much longer and it´ll still have the same effects. Also, since Benadryl is an anti-histamine, and histamines have a direct effect on beta-adrenoreceptors (not just Beta-2´s but all of them), using an anti-histamine will have a direct effect on reducing beta-receptor stimulation (16), and thus upregulating your beta-receptors

[Phate]

though you don't have to use benedryl, anything containing dyphenhydramine will work, i get a box of allergy remedy from the dollar store that's the same dose and benedryl but 1/5 the price

your best option for upregulation is ketotifen fumarate at 3mg/day for 7 days every 3rd week or so, and if you were picky you could run both, like the benedryl every once and a while to make sure your beta receptors are functioning at peak

btw, have ya'll read about albuterol or cimaterol yet

[jc95605]

No, i havent. I was thinking about albuterol but right now i have an overstock of clen and ephedra. I want to finish what i have already b4 i try something else. What kinds of things have you heard about albuterol. Does it work real good? Personal experience?

I've been taking tbol for 4 days now. I think that, and the fact that i stopped all fat burners is why my weight isn't moving. I've heard thru a few ppl that when you first take tbol you hold a lil water. All and all tbol is supposed to be a pretty dry steroid , thats why i picked it. What you guys think? I'll look up albuterol when i can. I usually don't have alot of time to read up on things, i wish i had more. Anyway I'll get back to you guys later after the gym.

[peteroy01]

you should have lost weight by now.

[jc95605]

I know but i've been taking tbol and that has a lil water water retention, not much tho. I seem to be hovering around 166 so thats about a 2lb gain. I think that might be the tbol since i noticed the weight go up about 2 days after i started taking tbol. I'm gonna read a lil more about it, i might even start another thread and ask ppl whose actually taken tbol what they noticed at first. Also I should mention that i stopped taking all fat burners. Right now i'm not on ANY clen , ephedra, low caffine (only what i drink in my morning soda) so that migh be another reason too. Next time I go to the gym i'll weigh myself again but i think it should be a lil high. The past 2 days my muscles have been all swol up and hard. Its awesome! I feel great! Also when i went to the gym today i put up more weight on pretty much everything. It was only 5lbs but still. This is only the 2nd time that i went to the gym while on tbol. The time i went i think it was the second day so it wasn't at its full effectiveness yet. Anyway i'll post again next time i go.