cycle recommendation

**chriso87** · 04-25-2008, 02:14 PM

hi everyone, im 21, 5ft 10, 170lbs, 18 % BF, newbie member to this forum, been researching about steroids types, effects, results for couple of years now, and am a sports science undergraduate. former youth international athlete but just looking to get bigger now. weight training experience going on 4 years now. just wondering whether anyone could shine some light on newbie cycle, pct, and any general tips to go alongside it. looking for an oral cycle if possible!
cheers guys
Chris

**millionairemurph** · 04-25-2008, 02:40 PM

welcome to the board. Not to flame you but if you read the drug profiles, read members cycle results and the pct section you should be able to come up with this on your own. It would be better for you to understand what you are doing and why you are doing it rather than just taking some internet guys advice, right?

You are too young if you ask me
oral only cycles are bad (never done one, wont ever)

**J431S** · 04-25-2008, 02:44 PM

welcome.

click on the word cycle and start from there!

**kaberle_15** · 04-25-2008, 02:44 PM

Improving your diet and increasing calories will put some mass on you no problem being 21 and 170lbs.

**chriso87** · 04-25-2008, 02:55 PM

cheers for advice guys, too young? u think? im not doubting you no way cos u guys are alot more experienced than me, but studies show testosterone production decreases at 21 if not slightly before, surely there are alot of guys on this stuff from 20 onwards! cheers for the links guys

**Bulldog1115** · 04-25-2008, 10:06 PM

170lbs 18%BF, you need a better foundation, what are you a marathon runner!?..you don't need AAS, you need a weight gaining diet, and by this doesnt mean eat everything available, and obv if ur still only 170 with 18%bf you obv do not know how to train, so make your way to muscle and fitness.com and follow a program. Goodluck

**Phate** · 04-25-2008, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Bulldog1115

170lbs 18%BF, you need a better foundation, what are you a marathon runner!?..you don't need AAS, you need a weight gaining diet, and by this doesnt mean eat everything available, and obv if ur still only 170 with 18%bf you obv do not know how to train, so make your way to muscle and fitness.com and follow a program. Goodluck

^^^if you're going to just flame him and not put any good info in your post then just don't post at all

that being said i agree that you should research a bit more, here are some threads on diet, cycles, pct, etc. to get you started

Read this first
Whats the right age to take steroids (GOOD READ)

Diet
UNoffical "How to Bulk" thread and sample diet...
UNoffical "How to Cut" thread and sample diet...
Appetite For Construction
http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/calories/calories.html

Steroid basics
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...78#post3167378

Pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...hlight=PHEENDO
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758

Cycles
Cycles for the Newbie

Stuff on gyno
All you need to know about GYNO.

Oral vs. injectable
First cycle oral vs injectable

i know it looks like alot but each thread is full of knowledge that will prove vital to you

**chriso87** · 04-26-2008, 06:28 AM

phate186 cheers alot! huuge help. i do agree just wanted some light shined down for us, something of a more comprehensive guide rather than separate info but i realise now its best to do this yourself!

bulldog if i was a marathon runner id be alot lighter than 170lbs! and 18% BF:P
if you bothered to read my intro you would have seen how many years weight training experience i have, and that i was an international athlete. i am new to this sort of thing so of course imgoing to seem light compared to you guys. also i havent done cardio in a while so hence the 18% body fat, this is due to work etc very very long shifts combined with university.

thanks to everyone that has helped me so far.
Chris

**Bulldog1115** · 04-26-2008, 08:58 AM

ok thats understandable...but, NEVER DO ORALS ONLY..woodnt u wanna keep your gains?..pinning is so easy takes like 5 minutes. Research this cycle:

1-14 Testosterone Enth 500 mg/w
1-12 Deca 400mg/w
1-4 Dianabol 20-25mg/w
16-20 Proper PCT with Nolvadex , Clomid and maybe HCG

**Phate** · 04-26-2008, 09:48 AM

^^^i disagree on that for a first cycle for a couple reasons
1) the standard beginner cycle is test e 500mg/week for 12 weeks with a dbol kicker if they want, to see how the person handles test and if they are gyno prone
2) if the person does a test/deca cycle and gets gyno without first doing a test cycle they won't know what AI to use to combat the gyno since deca, being a 19 nor, doesn't aromatise to estrogen but stimulates progesterone and needs to be handled in a completely different way than estrogen
3) deca is very supressive of your system and getting the experience from a couple cycles under your belt, especially in the area of pct, is a good idea

my suggestion for a cycle would be
1-12 test enanthat or cypionate 500mg/week shot every 3.5 day, like monday morning and thursday afternoon
1-4 dbol 40mg/day break up the dosages every 6-8 hours to keep blood levels stable

**chriso87** · 04-26-2008, 11:18 AM

cheers both of you cheers for nice reply bulldog. appreciate it bud! you guys nervous about ur first shot? buttocks best area for it, delts too perhaps? dbol a shot too? i know its available as an oral. if you guys suggest injection then its gonna have to be!
phate, any pct in there? 500mg divided into two?
cheers guys

**Bulldog1115** · 04-26-2008, 01:36 PM

-Always switch off cheecks when shotting your but, Ive never done an injection into my delt or any other place, i love the but!{be sure to rubb it afterwards}, whenever doing a 1st injection, never think about the acually inject, id alwasy visualize my goal and gains!
-Get the tabs of DBols.
-Your PCT should be as follows:
Weeks 16-20 should be Nolavdex at 20mg/d, clomid 150mg/d
alwasy start PCT 2 weeks after last test injection!
-And the way you would divide test injections into 500 mg/w, would be to shoot 1cc or 250mg every 3.5 days.

**Phate** · 04-26-2008, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by chriso87

cheers both of you cheers for nice reply bulldog. appreciate it bud! you guys nervous about ur first shot? if your nervous then have a little fruit juice a couple minutes before you shoot as that will keep your blood sugar levels from dropping from panic when you shoot which can cause you to faint
buttocks best area for it, delts too perhaps?i like delts personally over anything else
dbol a shot too?you can get it injectable but i'd run it oral for a kickstart, just break it up throughout the day to keep your blood levels stable i know its available as an oral. if you guys suggest injection then its gonna have to be!
phate, any pct in there? ALWAYS PCT, use AR's pct here's the thread

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758
500mg divided into two? yes, every 3.5 days, ex. monday morning and thursday night to keep blood levels stable
cheers guys

hope that helps

**chriso87** · 04-26-2008, 02:29 PM

great advice bulldog cheers! shuld be good, sorry phate i didnt catch ur post think we posted similar times so didnt catch urs!! great advice mate thanks!! will take everything on board and let you know!
cheers again
Chris

**Phate** · 04-26-2008, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by chriso87

great advice bulldog cheers! shuld be good, cant remember whether i was linked on where's best to order from!

first off i'm not bulldog, and edit the order question out of your post as that will get you in trouble

**Bulldog1115** · 04-26-2008, 10:29 PM

goodluck man, let us know how you make out!

EAT RIGHT AND TRAIN YOUR BALLS OFF!

**jAcKeD!!!!** · 04-26-2008, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Bulldog1115

170lbs 18%BF, you need a better foundation, what are you a marathon runner!?..you don't need AAS, you need a weight gaining diet, and by this doesnt mean eat everything available, and obv if ur still only 170 with 18%bf you obv do not know how to train, so make your way to muscle and fitness.com and follow a program. Goodluck

ok where to start? bulldog you need to find a way to give better advise without flamming.

Originally Posted by Bulldog1115

ok thats understandable...but, NEVER DO ORALS ONLY..woodnt u wanna keep your gains?..pinning is so easy takes like 5 minutes. Research this cycle:

1-14 Testosterone Enth 500 mg/w
1-12 Deca 400mg/w
1-4 Dianabol 20-25mg/w
16-20 Proper PCT with Nolvadex, Clomid and maybe HCG

telling someone to do 3 compounds for there first cycle is simple just bad advice.first cycle should be test only.

should be looking something like this to keep it nice a simple for a first time:

week1-12testE@500mgs/week divided into 2 doses throughout the week
week14-8nolva@20ED + clomid@100mgED

sorry if you take it that im flamming you i have no intentions .. just tryin to put things on track here.
cheers

**Bulldog1115** · 04-26-2008, 10:49 PM

I 100% understand, i apoligized, very stupid by me, i deserve to get ripped apart, ive a told a million and 1 people to do test only for 1st cycle also but this one i just screwed up lol .. thanks for correcting me!

**llrockyll** · 04-26-2008, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by millionairemurph

welcome to the board. Not to flame you but if you read the drug profiles, read members cycle results and the pct section you should be able to come up with this on your own. It would be better for you to understand what you are doing and why you are doing it rather than just taking some internet guys advice, right?

You are too young if you ask me
oral only cycles are bad (never done one, wont ever)

agreed plus ur body fat is imo to high to start a cycle. it seems like more and more people are starting gear when their not even close to thier bodies potential.