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    dude phate ur a beacon of success, and ur a champ with the links!

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    so your saying the test can be raised or keep it at 500mg? what about these people who do like 1000mgs, isnt that asking for a heart attack?

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    well he wants a kickstart gains for his cycle, if i were him i woodnt use DBOLS {they ****in blow, just all water, its so pointless, but dont get me going on the D's} , but with the prop he wont get the bloat and hell still get gains quickly ya know, the frontloading still wont give him gains quicker?! Right? just my personal opinion ya know

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    so what should i do then? just run the test only normally or add something whats the best gains for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog1115 View Post
    well he wants a kickstart gains for his cycle, if i were him i woodnt use DBOLS {they ****in blow, just all water, its so pointless, but dont get me going on the D's} , but with the prop he wont get the bloat and hell still get gains quickly ya know, the frontloading still wont give him gains quicker?! Right? just my personal opinion ya know
    personally i like bulldog's method, using the prop as a kickstart, it keeps the blood levels stable so less sides, but you can do whichever you like

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    ill have to do some research on the prop i cemented my first cycle and studied it inside and out so im gonna have to get familiar with theses other compounds you guys are throwing at me now

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodybuilder1107 View Post
    so what should i do then? just run the test only normally or add something whats the best gains for me
    it's your choice really, research has got you this far, so do some on all these methods and see which you like, if your anxious about your first cycle then just do the test naturally and for your second cycle run the test a little longer and use a dbol kicker or frontload

    you'll have plenty of time to experiment in the future so don't be in a rush

    remember, this is a life commitment, not just a 12 week commitment,

    life is a marathon, slow and steady wins the race

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    Im going with DSM on this one though I personally love dbol .

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    allright then i think im gonna try the test with some dbol , i appreciate the input and ill wait on the front loading thing, im too new to dive in head first so ill run my first safe cycle i guess and see what happens but ill keep researching for cycle 2 i wanna be safe not another statistic of abusers so ill keep the info train rolling i guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodybuilder1107 View Post
    allright then i think im gonna try the test with some dbol, i appreciate the input and ill wait on the front loading thing, im too new to dive in head first so ill run my first safe cycle i guess and see what happens but ill keep researching for cycle 2 i wanna be safe not another statistic of abusers so ill keep the info train rolling i guess
    i like your style bro, you research first and pin later, i'm impressed since most of the people we get here have already injected and then they ask how to run the stuff, stupid IMO

    anyway, we'll always be here and more than willing to help those who are willing to put in the work and research, anything you need help with let me know and i'll help any way i can, best of luck and great gains bro

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    i think dbols suck, personally i dont like them at all, but if i were u BB, i wood use the prop to kickstart the gains, ur kidneys and liver will love, appreciate and reward u for that decision!

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    thanks for all the help if i was to do the prop bulldog whats the dosage on that and run same as dbol just replace the dbol with it or another ballgame?

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    im reading up on the prop and catching on its much better on the liver and alot less bloat for more lean muscle gain as opposed to 10 lbs of water, due to the conversion rate, i want the big ripped muscle man look not the watery goodyearman look, mineswell do it right the first time or not at all right? what should be the dosage for this test prop kickstart though

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    sell the dbol to some asshole who thinks they r magic beans and he'll be arnold after his month "cycle" lol .. but pin the Prop every other day at 100 mg { if u get a 100mg/ml bottle of prop, that would be 1cc EOD, which isnt much at all} Do that Mon, Wed, and Fri. that would put u at 300mg/w and then every sunday pin your enthante at 250 mg/w until after ur 4 weeks is done with the prop, then pin the Enth at 250 mg/ every 3.5 days , that would be a better cycle then the Enth dbols!

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    allright i think i might try the test e and test p cycle in light of the new kickstart info and side effect comparison, thansk guys for the help im pretty excited

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    should still run the same pct right is this the method for any cycle or more needed per each harsher anabolic ?

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    good choice, run nolva clomid and an AI for your PCT, make sure u have Arimidex on hand in case!

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    dont need the liv52 anymore or run it to be safe anyways?

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    dont need it

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    allright then 1st cycle is set then thansk for the help everyone

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