ProHormones + Anavar ??

[*Thiago*]

Not sure if this has been asked before (could not find much in the search) -


Last week I bought Prohormone cycle consisting of Cellucor's P-6 Black Pro-Hormone and P-6 Red Pro-Androgenic formulas.

Guy at the store told me you can take the Black for 6-8 weeks and then take the Red for 4 weeks, or he has seen good results stacking both (which is how most likely I'll take it), I was actually waiting for a cycle of Anavar but my source was taking too long so I looked into the prohormones for now.



Anyhow, today I'm in the gym doing back and my source finally tells me he finally has some in **AFTER** I already purchased my prohormone cycle.


So now I'm stuck thinking if I should just discontinue the prohormones and go straight for the Anavar, or do the Anavar first and then the prohormones ??

Or can these substances be stacked and have a synergistic effect ??


What is your advice ??

My main goals are 8-10 lb of lean gains and strength gains on all lifts.


Thanks,
-Chris

[NATE0406]

what are your stats??

[Mbuffguy]

dude you shoud throw all thatshit away ang get test way better

[*Thiago*]

what are your stats??

6 Ft
192 LB
11-12 BF %

All Natural, when i started I was like 145lb my same height

Have been training for like 10 years on/off - never off longer than 2 months and have been training very hard the last 2 years.

Goal is to get to 200-205lb 8% BF

[farhad_039]

Hello,

I am 17 years old 155lbs and have been working out for the past year and seeing no results. I have taken WHEY for over 2 years now and Weight Gainers and have seen no results. I was looking into taking anovars. I was planning on taking 1 a day right before workouts and only doing a half cycle(2 weeks on 2 weeks off). After the cycle i plan on taking something to flush my liver.
Do u think anovars is the right way to go or no?
thanks

[NATE0406]

you should be fine taking both. not too big a deal. i havent had many runins with PH's. but you will need a pct for this. why not just go with a test cycle though?

[NATE0406]

Hello,

I am 17 years old 155lbs and have been working out for the past year and seeing no results. I have taken WHEY for over 2 years now and Weight Gainers and have seen no results. I was looking into taking anovars. I was planning on taking 1 a day right before workouts and only doing a half cycle(2 weeks on 2 weeks off). After the cycle i plan on taking something to flush my liver.
Do u think anovars is the right way to go or no?
thanks

no.. you are too young. and by the way you have to be 18 to even be on this website. see you in a year bro. but before you get banned your problem is your diet. check into that. and by the way you need to start your own thread.

[farhad_039]

i turn 18 in 7 days

[*Thiago*]

you should be fine taking both. not too big a deal. i havent had many runins with PH's. but you will need a pct for this. why not just go with a test cycle though?

So you have taken PH's while on gear ?? What were you on ??

[Big]

i turn 18 in 7 days

I answered you in this thread, can you please stop posting this same thing again and again? Spam and you will be banned regardless of age.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=331179

[NATE0406]

So you have taken PH's while on gear ?? What were you on ??

no bro. i havent taken any PH's before but there is no reason you couldnt take them together. you shouldnt have any adverse affects from it. i have friends who have fun PH's before with other orals and did not affect them negatively. but why dont you just run a test cycle?

[*Thiago*]

1St reason being fear of injectable

2Nd fear of testicular shrinkage



While I know that can happen on orals too, it seems more predominant with injectables. Now I'm not ruling them out just wanted to run the Var first and see how it went ...

Is running test alone the most common FIRST cycle ??

[NATE0406]

1St reason being fear of injectable

2Nd fear of testicular shrinkage



While I know that can happen on orals too, it seems more predominant with injectables. Now I'm not ruling them out just wanted to run the Var first and see how it went ...

Is running test alone the most common FIRST cycle ??

yup.. but imo var is the only oral that will be fine to run on its own. but you need to kick your fear of needles if you want to use aas.

[*Thiago*]

yup.. but imo var is the only oral that will be fine to run on its own. but you need to kick your fear of needles if you want to use aas.

Yeah let me rephrase that -

It is not so much a fear of needles but more a lack of knowledge/experience of how to use them correctly.

[NATE0406]

Yeah let me rephrase that -

It is not so much a fear of needles but more a lack of knowledge/experience of how to use them correctly.

thats understandable. good decision. just keep on researching here and before long you will be very knowlegable. but as far as your planned cycle you should be fine. how do you plan on cycling the var? and what do you have planned for pct?

[*Thiago*]

Well now you got me thinking if I should just finish my PHs and then just do a cycle of test, might be less toxic on my liver.

In fact I have been reading most of these orals can be more damaging .... hmmmmmmm


What I want is 10-12 lbm gains with the least sides or shutting down of my own HPTA

That is why I was leaning towards the Anavar

[SFVpumped]

Well now you got me thinking if I should just finish my PHs and then just do a cycle of test, might be less toxic on my liver.

In fact I have been reading most of these orals can be more damaging .... hmmmmmmm


What I want is 10-12 lbm gains with the least sides or shutting down of my own HPTA

That is why I was leaning towards the Anavar

bro a ph will shut you down just as bad as test/other injcs. your goal of 10-12 lbs lean muscle is perfectly achievable with a ph. im not familiar with the ph's you said you purchased but give them a try, i bet after that little ph cycle you would have met your goal or gotten close enough to achieve it naturally right afterwards.

my first and only ph cycle was a halodrol clone (CEL h-drol) and i shed some fat and gained 10lbs on the scale!!

ON the otherhand .... a test only cycle would be much safer and WAY easier to achieve your goal (and them some). you dont have any friends that are nurses? or something of the like?? what i do is just get one of them to shoot my glute, no pain, shit i dont even get to see them inject me (they are behind me)!!!!

good luck man

[*Thiago*]

bro a ph will shut you down just as bad as test/other injcs. your goal of 10-12 lbs lean muscle is perfectly achievable with a ph. im not familiar with the ph's you said you purchased but give them a try, i bet after that little ph cycle you would have met your goal or gotten close enough to achieve it naturally right afterwards.

my first and only ph cycle was a halodrol clone (CEL h-drol) and i shed some fat and gained 10lbs on the scale!!

ON the otherhand .... a test only cycle would be much safer and WAY easier to achieve your goal (and them some). you dont have any friends that are nurses? or something of the like?? what i do is just get one of them to shoot my glute, no pain, shit i dont even get to see them inject me (they are behind me)!!!!

good luck man

How long was your H-Drol Cycle for ?? What did you use for PCT ??


It has only been a week on the P6 Extreme and my urine stream seems to be getting weaker ... WTF ??

I might just ditch this whole PH shit and do a real cycle !!

[*Thiago*]

I was doing some research and was able to come up with a list of the ingredients in the P6 Black, copied from what seems to be cellucor's description -


Androsta-1,4-diene-3,17-dione


Androsta-1,4diene-3,17dione is equally an androgenic and anabolic prohormone. The 17b-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase enzyme is required for this to turn into its target hormone, boldenone . Boldenone is capable of binding itself to the androgen receptor, causing very lean, dense muscle growth. It converts to DHT at a very minimal rate, so androgenic side effects are kept to a minimum. This compound does not aromatise inhibitors. Boldenone has also been said to stimulate erythropoiesis. Erythropoiesis is the production of red blood cells which can dramatically help muscular endurance by increasing the efficiency of oxygen delivery to the muscles. It also is very orally available due to the bonds at the 1 and 4 positions, which makes it very light on the liver opposed to the methylations of other popular prohormones. This is another hormone that is very safe and can get you more of the great strength and lean, dense muscle gains you're looking for...along with endurance that just doesn't quit.


Androsta-1-ene-3b-ol, 17b-one


Androsta-1-ene-3b-ol, 17b-one is a prohormones that requires just two reactions to become its target substance. Enzymes known as 17b-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase and 3b-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase act upon this molecule to make efficient amounts of 1-testosterone . That particular target substance can last in the body up to two hours and is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone (DHT); however it cannot become DHT directly. That makes this extremely active on the androgen receptor, probably giving 1-testosterone its reputation for being 700% more anabolic than testosterone. It also cannot aromatize whatsoever and is even a competitive inhibitor of the aromatase enzyme. This means that the gains made will be very lean due to muscle mass, and an awesome boost in metabolism. This is the most androgenic compound chosen to be part of P6 Black.


19-norandrosta-4,9-diene-3,17-dione



19-norandrosta-4,9-diene-3,17-dione is a prohormone that requires only one reaction to become its target substance. All 19-nor prohormones lack the C19 carbon and its 3 hydrogens that attach to it. A single interaction with 17b-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase will end up converting this substance into a highly androgenic 19-nor. However, this same compound is only two reactions from becoming nandrolone and trenbolone . These particular compounds can last up to 6 hours in the body and does not convert to DHT. That is only mildly androgenic and yields side effects that are almost non-existent. Nandrolone converts, estrogenically, at a significantly lower rate than testosterone, while trenbolone does not convert at all. The target substances of this prohormone are between 250% and 500% more anabolic than testosterone alone. The compounds that result from this single prohormone are so anabolic, that they are said to increase growth hormone release, glycogen storage, nitrogen retention, and androgen receptor activity. This is only good news for the other androgens in this product. This is known to be one of the safest prohormones due to its lack of side effects and dramatic anabolic growth that comes with it.


Hyper-Androgen Transport System and Overview.



P6 BLACK also has and advanced ?Hyper-Androgen Transport System? that provides MCTs ensure the lipophilic nature of these prohormones, enhancing absorption into the lymphatic system as well as the blood. N-acetyl-l-cysteine and Andrographis ensure liver health and the activity of the 3b and 17b enzymes. Also, we're debuting the use of Triterpene Glycoside of the Black Cohosh, which has been clinically compared to 6,7dihydroxybergamottin at enhancing prohormone absorption in the body by blocking certain liver enzymes that can destroy them. We've also incorporated diindolylmethane for the proper use and metabolism of the small amount of estrogenic hormones that result from this formula, which will only aid in anabolic growth and noticeable size gains. P6 BLACK will, without a doubt, be the best, single prohormone product you will ever take, specially formulated to be the most powerful, efficient, and safe prohormone combination to be in existence today. The androgens selected were chosen for their potency, specific androgenic and anabolic function, and the lack of side effects involved. With this product you'll get more muscle density, striations, vascularity, and overall lean size than you'll get form any other prohormone product on the market, 100% money back guaranteed.





Per Capsule >

Androsta-1,4-diene-3,17-dione - 40mg
Androsta-1-ene-3b-ol, 17b-one - 35mg
19-norandrosta-4,9-diene-3,17-dione - 18mg

WORKOUT DAYS

Morning: Take 2
Pre-workout : Take 3

OFF DAYS

Morning : Take 2





So far I have been on this stuff since last Thursday and I'm starting to experience what seems to be a weak urine stream and a decrease in trips.

I also started having 3 servings of this weight gainer (not sure if this could also be putting the strain on my urinary system) -

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ids/smart.html

Which has 51g of protein, 3g of Creatine Malate and 4.3g of L-Glutamine


Should I just ditch this f-ing PH and get some real gear or throw some Saw Palmetto in there and see if my body is able to adjust ??

My body feels alot harder and stronger,I'm up like 4-5lb on the scale, but not sure if that is just the added creatine ... also my libido seems a bit lower.

Advise ?

[40plusnewbie]

Weak stream is one of the symptoms of BPH (enlarged prostate). This minght not have anything to do with your weak stream, but what I do know is that it is not recommended for men to take PH or AAS (not sure if there are exceptions, but I think most, if not all, can aggravate an enlarged prostated condition. I don't know if they can 'cause' it though? Someone?

[40plusnewbie]

Determined, I"m interested in following your path of progres re: PH or PH and var or test.

Right now I"m taking Halodrol (started a cple days ago) and 6-oxo and am planning to add some tongkat ali 50x extract. Haven't decided if I'm gonna stack the tongkat yet (I was taking it for 1 1/2 weeks after a 2 week break following usage of only that for 6 weeks). I also have a bottle of novedex xt and I"m looking at using anavar as well. I'm planning on taking a break in like a month, won't start the anavar until then. Depending on how the Halodrol works for me I might stack that or use the 50x extract of tongkat (I like that at high doses).

Like you I've never used steroids before, but I'm older than you and am still in the process of body recomposition (re: fat reduction, lean muscle addition)

[TJM7275]

I was taking Methyl 1-D when I started my cycle. Did not effect me in the least. I thought it worked fairly well but nothing like good old fashion gear. Don't sweat it bro

[*Thiago*]

I ALWAYS have a strong stream, so I'm just trying to determine if the PH can cause my Prostate to Swell and hence the recent weak stream.

Or could it be I have so much creatine malate in my system that it is causing some stress on my system, I'm guessing it is most likely the PHs as they have a direct impact on the HPTA

If that is the case I'll probably discontinue it ASAP as I don't know if simply adding Saw Palmeto would help me deal with this side (or if that is even a valuable option to consider)

[40plusnewbie]

I use Beta Sisosterol, I think that's the (or an) active ingredient in Saw Palmeto but it doesn't work as well as I had hoped/expected and I take ~2x the recommended dose.

U might need a doctor or someone who really knows what they are talking about to determine what is behind this symptom and the appropriate step(s) to take.