I might have gyno, What do you think?

**DS21** · 07-05-2008, 02:16 PM

I'm two weeks into my post cycle. I have been using 1grm of arimidex ed with some 6oxo. I had to stop using nolva and clomid due to an allergic reaction (rash).

My question is I am starting to get really sensitive nipple on my left side. I don't feel a lump and my rash is on my chest by my nipple. I don't know if it is gyno, or the rash causing sensitivity. Should I start using letro instead of arimidex, until the rash goes away?

Getting back on nolva or clomid is not an option I am trying to find a different way to go, so please let me know if letro would be the way to go or any other suggestions would be great.

Thanks.

PT · 07-05-2008, 02:18 PM

try aromasin . what is 6oxo and what does that supp. consists of?

**DS21** · 07-05-2008, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by pietro75

try aromasin. what is 6oxo and what does that supp. consists of?

6oxo- indole-3-carbinol,4-etioallocholen-3,6,17-trione, Hiindolylmethane It is any otc AI. I don't have aromasin on hand, can't find it online. I have letro and arimidix.

**DS21** · 07-05-2008, 04:58 PM

Why is it when I try and get an answer to a serious question nobody answers, but if I ask what is your favorite roid everyone has an answer? Alittle help or any suggestions would go a long way, Thanks.

**Emilio_Rebenga** · 07-05-2008, 05:01 PM

pietro 6oxo is a over the counter pct..similar to novadex

u can pick it up anywhere

**Emilio_Rebenga** · 07-05-2008, 05:02 PM

DS21 what was the dosage you were running for your nolva and clomid?

**DS21** · 07-05-2008, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Emilio_Rebenga

DS21 what was the dosage you were running for your nolva and clomid?

I started off with 20mgs of Nolva and 70 mgs of Clomid. I thought I was getting acne so I upped the dose of Nolva to 40mgs ed and keeped the Clomid to 70mgs ed. The acne turned out to be a rash, so I upped the dose of Arimidex to 1gr ed and added the 6oxo.

**awms** · 07-05-2008, 05:20 PM

Thers no way your A-dex is real then....how much do you take? A-dex is powerful stuff!

**DS21** · 07-05-2008, 05:40 PM

I purchased the arimidex from the website on this site. I use .5grms am and pm ed for the past week. Before I got off of nolva and clomid (the allergic reaction) I was using .5mgs ed. All I am trying to figure out is if I should use letro to really stop the estrogen production then get of the letro with arimidex?

**awms** · 07-05-2008, 05:51 PM

Iduno man that sounds fishy to me....A-dex is strong so you might want to check the sorce agian.

**DS21** · 07-05-2008, 05:59 PM

I'm hoping that it is the rash that is causing the sensitivity. It is only my left nipple and the rash is on the left side of my chest and spreads under my arm pit and on to my back. Do you think that arimidex is strong enough to stop gyno? I am only two weeks into my pct (test 600mg/wk)? I am wanting to us letro to stop almost all estrogen production wait for the rash to go away stop using the letro and start back on the arimidex. This way I can make sure it isn't the rash that is causing the sensitivity to the left nipple. What do you think?

**RapaciousShark** · 07-05-2008, 06:27 PM

i wouldnt mess with the letro if i were you bc you'd need nolva for the rebound when you finish with it - then you're back where you started, or worse. If you switch, get aromasin online and use that. Aromasin is good for letro rebounds, but if you're gonna use it you may as well skip the letro.

**bodybuilder1107** · 07-05-2008, 06:29 PM

a dex should od helped but not being able to take clomid or nolva will damper al;ot of good cycle combos

**0tolerance** · 07-05-2008, 06:33 PM

Instead of seeking answers here and getting mad that they arent being answered,
you should probably consult a doctor and see what he/she says.

**DS21** · 07-05-2008, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by RapaciousShark

i wouldnt mess with the letro if i were you bc you'd need nolva for the rebound when you finish with it - then you're back where you started, or worse. If you switch, get aromasin online and use that. Aromasin is good for letro rebounds, but if you're gonna use it you may as well skip the letro.

Thanks for the info. I thought you could switch from letro to arimidex ? If not then I will just up the doses that I am taking.

**DS21** · 07-05-2008, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by 0tolerance

Instead of seeking answers here and getting mad that they arent being answered,
you should probably consult a doctor and see what he/she says.

If it came off that I was mad my bad, I was really frustraded. This is the 3rd thread that I started for the same thing in the past week, and haven't got a true suggestion or recommendation. If I thought it was serious enough to go see a doc then I would but I as just asking if letro is something I should switch to?

**T_Own** · 07-05-2008, 10:19 PM

are you sure you don't mean 1mg a dex?

**DS21** · 07-06-2008, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by T_Own

are you sure you don't mean 1mg a dex?

Did I say 1grm, sorry I did mean 1mg ed. Anyother suggestions?

**RapaciousShark** · 07-06-2008, 06:16 PM

in my experience adex is no good for treating the letro rebound, it just delays the inevitable. If your dex is real you wont get gyno. Period. Did you order from the board sponsor?

**DS21** · 07-06-2008, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by RapaciousShark

in my experience adex is no good for treating the letro rebound, it just delays the inevitable. If your dex is real you wont get gyno. Period. Did you order from the board sponsor?

Yes, I ordered it from this site. So l-dex is strong enough to use for pct? The left nipple is really sensitive, but there is no lump anywhere under it. I am going to keep using 1mg ed for the first 30 days of pct, then drop it down to .5mg ed for the 5th week, then .5mg eod for the last week, a total of 6 week pct. Unless there is a better idea.

Thanks

**FrankieJJ23** · 07-06-2008, 10:19 PM

**DS21** · 07-06-2008, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by FrankieJJ23

I don't believe I said my nipples are puffy or showing signs of gyno. They are sensitive to the touch and get irretated when my shirt rubs them. My question was if I should run the 6 week pct that is stated above? I was also thinking about running the gyno reversal that is in the education thread just to be safe. The only problem I found with that is I have to use nolva to come off of letro, but that may be the product that gave me this hugh rash in the first place. If I do run the gyno reversal and use Nolva with no problems then I found out witch product I am allergic to (that is a plus). Your thoughts?

**RapaciousShark** · 07-07-2008, 01:13 AM

IMO using ldex in your PCt is dangerous bc some people could experience estrogen rebounds when coming off, especially if they've run high doses or taken it a long time. I always suggest aromasin . When I came off letro fro gyno reversal my nolva did not help much with the rebound but then i tried aromasin which workes great. It is about as powerful as adex, if not more, and permanently binds to aromatase, so no rebound effect. That's what I'd use if I were you, either as a switch or a rebound killer.

As for your rash, it's listed as a side of nolva by astra zeneca. It is also more concentrated in the breast tissue bc of its high affinity for E receptors, obviously, which may explain the location of your rash. Also, it acts differently in different people and at different receptor sites. Sometimes the sides can mimic estrogenic sides. Who knows, all speculation. Bottome line: no nolva, consider some aromasin. If you need PCT advice, my reccomendation is Anthony Robert's PCT, minus the nolva of course. Good luck and keep us posted.

**DS21** · 07-07-2008, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by RapaciousShark

IMO using ldex in your PCt is dangerous bc some people could experience estrogen rebounds when coming off, especially if they've run high doses or taken it a long time. I always suggest aromasin . When I came off letro fro gyno reversal my nolva did not help much with the rebound but then i tried aromasin which workes great. It is about as powerful as adex, if not more, and permanently binds to aromatase, so no rebound effect. That's what I'd use if I were you, either as a switch or a rebound killer.

As for your rash, it's listed as a side of nolva by astra zeneca. It is also more concentrated in the breast tissue bc of its high affinity for E receptors, obviously, which may explain the location of your rash. Also, it acts differently in different people and at different receptor sites. Sometimes the sides can mimic estrogenic sides. Who knows, all speculation. Bottome line: no nolva, consider some aromasin. If you need PCT advice, my reccomendation is Anthony Robert's PCT, minus the nolva of course. Good luck and keep us posted.

I truley appreciate the info. I have to say that is some of the best advice that I've received on this board, Thanks. The reason that I decided to get off nolva and clomid is because they both had a rash as one of the sides. I was going to wait for the rash to go away then try one for a day to see what happens, the rash came the next day after I used them both. I actually thought the same thing that nolva was the problem because it started on my chest, but then it spreed all the way across my back, so I don't know. I will try and get the aromasin, but the ar-r site has been out forever.

On a side note, I started the gyno reversal last night (.5gr) and the nipple already feels less sensitive. I don't know if it is possible to work that fast? If I can't get the aromasin, do you think it is possible to switch from letro to l-dex, I know you said it didn't work to well for you, but if that is all I can get what doses would you recommend?

Thanks again,

**RapaciousShark** · 07-07-2008, 02:06 PM

i was in that exact situation once - didnt want to use nolva and tried to come off letro with adex. I guess I tried to do it too fast bc it failed miserably for me. I tapered down from 2mg letro to .25mg over 14 days, then overlapped my letro with adex 1mg for a couple days and completely switched. I tapered down the adex over a week, totaling three whole weeks of tapering. A couple days after stopping the adex, my nipples were sore as shite.

The switch from letro to adex worked fine, i just guess if you want to use it for your rebound you should taper down your adex over a much longer period of time, possibly 4-6 weeks.

I'm not sure if this would work, but here's what 'd suggest, after the switch:

days 1-4: adex 1mg
days 5-8: adex .75mg
days 9-12: adex .5 mg
days 13-16: adex .25mg

days: 17~30: take adex .25mg eod, then e2d, then e3d, then off.

That's a nice, slow schedule. 'doesnt guarantee you'll be fine, but if this isn't slow enough there's no way to do it. There may be lots of guys who'll say you dont have to go this long, and thats true for a lot of 'em. I say what's so hard about it? just remember to follow it and go about your life. Plus it'll give you time to find some exemestane.

'Hope this helps