some good advice

**wcfd** · 07-13-2008, 08:35 AM

taking first cycle of EQ with test cyn ,,have already had one shot of each taking 1cc every third day! is this a good combination,?? ok im 5'11 180 about 12 to 13 percent body fat,i know thats high but i cant seem to lose anymore,working out 3 to 4 times a week, very little cardio ,, im wanting to bulk up and cut body fat at same time,, diet is ok other than my calorie intake is very low since ive been trying to cut this fat around midsection any help please

**TJM7275** · 07-13-2008, 08:41 AM

What is Cyn????? Do you mean Cyp????? I think you should have done a hell of a lot more research before jumping into a cycle. You need to choose...either bulk or cut??? Your diet has to be more than OK bro.... It has to be on point great. I would stop right now and do a lot more research. Taking one shot will not screw your system up. What does your PCT look like???? Do you have one or know what it is??? Like I said bro research....

**Ernst** · 07-13-2008, 08:45 AM

Diet sounds not ok. Training sounds lax. Dosage of compounds not given. I have to ask, how old are you? Could you break down your planned cycle + pct for us? What does this diet look like?

**wcfd** · 07-13-2008, 08:57 AM

ok i meany cyp,, i agree i should have researched more and i will now!!! i think i will stop till then!! im 35 y/o !! what im asking is will this be a good cycle to use !!! is there antrhing that could help me cut fat

**Ernst** · 07-13-2008, 09:00 AM

To the diet forum!!! Make sure to read the stickies before posting. Good luck!

**wcfd** · 07-13-2008, 09:29 AM

thanks for the help!!! what would be a good number bf% to start a cycle!! and again is that a good cycle to do?

**Ernst** · 07-13-2008, 09:40 AM

Is it a good cycle? I don't know. What you posted didn't have enough info. You need to research more if you're asking. Stay away from the gear for now. Seriously, get training and diet in order; you will see some very good results from that alone with a little dedication. In the mean time float around the board for a while and learn a thing or two.

**10nispro** · 07-13-2008, 09:43 AM

Some will say anything below 15%bf is a good start, but I like to recommend 12%. It also depends what your goal is with the cycle.

**wcfd** · 07-13-2008, 09:59 AM

ok thanks for the advice!! ill spend some time on here and in the mean time work on diet and workout programm!! as far as cycle i want to gain muscle but no fat!! and i know that means proper diet!! ive heard and read that the test will help cut fat alone is this true

**10nispro** · 07-13-2008, 10:10 AM

Test doesn't actually cut fat, but helps in protein synthesis. Diet diet diet.

**inky-e** · 07-13-2008, 10:14 AM

One shot, I believe , will shut you down. Unless I'm mistaken.

**wcfd** · 07-13-2008, 10:15 AM

what do you mean shut me down

**Nicotine** · 07-13-2008, 10:22 AM

it shuts down your natural test production. that's what he means.

you cant JUST stop. your body will freak out. what are you gonna do post cycle, to get your body naturally rolling again?

do you have any nolvadex at least???

**Ernst** · 07-13-2008, 10:22 AM

Put the stop on your natural test production.

I think you can bounce back from one errant shot fine, certainly a lot better than 2 or 3 months of doing everything half-a$#ed. TJM is a knowledgeable guy, I would listen.

**wcfd** · 07-13-2008, 10:25 AM

ok thanks!!!

**10nispro** · 07-13-2008, 10:25 AM

No need to run any pct cmpds after one injection....

**MercyDog** · 07-13-2008, 10:36 AM

I know this is leaning towards bb on this board but AAS works well for powerlifters and they are usually above 12% bf. I don't understand why using when your not cut has anything to do with gaining more muscle. I've also had friends that started very skinney and unexperienced and really accomplished alot in a few years using and lifting. I'm really not getting the part where you have to be strong, muscular, and cut for anabolics to work well for you. Can someone please explain this?

**Ernst** · 07-13-2008, 10:42 AM

I'm sure that would be a fun thread.

**10nispro** · 07-13-2008, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by MercyDog

I know this is leaning towards bb on this board but AAS works well for powerlifters and they are usually above 12% bf. I don't understand why using when your not cut has anything to do with gaining more muscle. I've also had friends that started very skinney and unexperienced and really accomplished alot in a few years using and lifting. I'm really not getting the part where you have to be strong, muscular, and cut for anabolics to work well for you. Can someone please explain this?

Keeping your body fat % down helps with sides while on gear. You can be any bf% you want but most want to achieve a goal more inline with looking "ripped" or some will say healthier. I am not a bb'er by know means.

Using gear doen't have anything to do with gaining muscle. It does allow for a more muscular appearance. It's all what you want from the cycle.

**TJM7275** · 07-13-2008, 11:12 AM

One shot will not shut your Test Production down, although stopping your cycle and running your PCT would not be a bad idea.

**wcfd** · 07-13-2008, 11:56 AM

ok let me say this!! im sorry for the confusion,im obvious new to this and yes so far from what i have read everyone has diffrent ideas. i said earlier that i wanted to cut !! well i want to stay trim cause i have lost 28 lbs in 3 months but during that ive lost some muscle and i can tell!! thanks to MERCY DOG for kinda of seeing my side a little!! i realize i need to lose some fat but i want to add some good muscle,, ive worked out for a long time and cant seem to get ovet this hurdle of not growing anymore!! i guess its all about what you are looking for!!!

**Nicotine** · 07-13-2008, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by MercyDog

I know this is leaning towards bb on this board but AAS works well for powerlifters and they are usually above 12% bf. I don't understand why using when your not cut has anything to do with gaining more muscle. I've also had friends that started very skinney and unexperienced and really accomplished alot in a few years using and lifting. I'm really not getting the part where you have to be strong, muscular, and cut for anabolics to work well for you. Can someone please explain this?

because kids who are stupid skinny who use 6 months into "training" usually dont have proper training OR diet knowledge to get the true benefits of the drug.

another thing. most seeking steroids want a quick fix for their poor quality training and diet. steroids will fix neither.

a friend of mine wanted to go on steroids. he was 155lbs. trained for 8 months on his own. 0 real progress.

i kicked his ass. and within 6 months, he went from 155 to 185ish, and the quality of appearance and strength were WAY up...

another thing, most dont do research on what the drugs actually do, their side effects, or what to do incase of a problem. most think it's a magical quick fix.

that's the main reason. it's not about being cut and jacked to get the benefit of the roids. but, if you cant train and eat and grow naturally, then how the hell do you expect a drug to make up for it?....

**Nicotine** · 07-13-2008, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by wcfd

ok let me say this!! im sorry for the confusion,im obvious new to this and yes so far from what i have read everyone has diffrent ideas. i said earlier that i wanted to cut !! well i want to stay trim cause i have lost 28 lbs in 3 months but during that ive lost some muscle and i can tell!! thanks to MERCY DOG for kinda of seeing my side a little!! i realize i need to lose some fat but i want to add some good muscle,, ive worked out for a long time and cant seem to get ovet this hurdle of not growing anymore!! i guess its all about what you are looking for!!!

EAT!!!!!!!!!! for the love of god!

your body will only be as good as what you put into it. EAT!

**MercyDog** · 07-13-2008, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by 10nispro

Keeping your body fat % down helps with sides while on gear. You can be any bf% you want but most want to achieve a goal more inline with looking "ripped" or some will say healthier. I am not a bb'er by know means.

Using gear doen't have anything to do with gaining muscle. It does allow for a more muscular appearance. It's all what you want from the cycle.

Being on a strick diet for cutting, do you mean like competition prep? You'd have less sides? Are you serious? And using gear doesn't have anything to do with gaining muscle? I'm wondering why 90 year old men can't naturally be on stage if testosterone has nothing to do with gaining muscle.

**10nispro** · 07-13-2008, 02:58 PM

Being on a strick diet and using a competition prep diet, to me, are different things. The higher your BF% while using can cause excess estrogen levels, hence, you have more of a chance of getting or developing gyno.

Sorry, for the gear not making muscle comment. It will help or contribute to muscle developement, but not at the level most on this board are looking for. Gear needs help in the form of food to have the effect you are talking about. 90yr olds can take test to maintain muscle but unless they do something to help the test, they will still lose muscle mass because their natural test levels have dropped. Eating will further their developement.