How does this look?

[crispybacon]

Cycle:

Wk 1-5 Dbol 50mgs ED
Wk 1-10 Deca 300mgs EW
Wk 1-12 Sust300 600mgs EW
Wk 1-16 Phosphatidylserine

Was not sure whether to run Hcg at 500iu's a wk during cycle aswell?

PCT:

Wk 12 HCG 500iu ED(10 Days)
Wk 12-16 Nolva 60-40-20-20mg ED


Arimidex or proviron for gyno during cycle I know that proviron does not affect IGF levels that much, how do doses look?

[crispybacon]

Anyone any thoughts just want to make sure I dont f**k anything up!

[burnin69]

stats? age? cycle experiance?

[ottomaddox]

Ditto

stats? age? cycle experiance?

[crispybacon]

22, 6ft, 190lbs. First cycle

[one8nine]

Cycle:

Wk 1-5 Dbol 50mgs ED
Wk 1-10 Deca 300mgs EW
Wk 1-12 Sust300 600mgs EW
Wk 1-16 Phosphatidylserine

Was not sure whether to run Hcg at 500iu's a wk during cycle aswell?

PCT:

Wk 12 HCG 500iu ED(10 Days)
Wk 12-16 Nolva 60-40-20-20mg ED


Arimidex or proviron for gyno during cycle I know that proviron does not affect IGF levels that much, how do doses look?

what the hell is Phosphatidylserine?
test/dbol/deca is too much for a first cycle

if you run deca the ai you need to use is letro
sust is injected eod, right?


hcg crash course
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-steroids-questions-answers/355725-crash-course-hcg.html#post4127466

estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
estrogen/progesterone and gyno/side effects INFO FOR NEW GUYS

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-cycle-therapy/354573-one8nines-opinion-pct-links-side-effect-control-too.html#post4111013

thats too much hcg and pct starts 2 weeks after final sust shot
sust sucks get test e instead

[T_Own]

i was wondering what it was too.. but it says it for faster recovery, less soreness, and can make you feel better all around. sounds pretty weird

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphatidylserine

[crispybacon]

combats cortisone aswell, www . 1 fast 400 . com/i32_Phosphatidylserine.html
Yea sust was going to be run eod, you reckon test e would be better though yea? At what dose? Ok letro rather than adex for anti-e and how much Hcg would advise running and when?

[T_Own]

read 189's hcg thread and that will tell you how its run.
letro is better with progesterone (19nors)

[one8nine]

combats cortisone aswell, www . 1 fast 400 . com/i32_Phosphatidylserine.html
Yea sust was going to be run eod, you reckon test e would be better though yea? At what dose? Ok letro rather than adex for anti-e and how much Hcg would advise running and when?

hcg crash course
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4127466

same dose just test e instead of sust

[crispybacon]

Cool thanks for the help lads much appreciated Is there any need to run the letro for the whole cycle or just if bad bloat or signs of gyno start to appear?

[inky-e]

Cycle:

Wk 1-5 Dbol 50mgs ED
Wk 1-10 Deca 300mgs EW
Wk 1-12 Sust300 600mgs EW
Wk 1-16 Phosphatidylserine

Was not sure whether to run Hcg at 500iu's a wk during cycle aswell?

PCT:

Wk 12 HCG 500iu ED(10 Days)
Wk 12-16 Nolva 60-40-20-20mg ED


Arimidex or proviron for gyno during cycle I know that proviron does not affect IGF levels that much, how do doses look?

Its recommended that a first cycle consist of test only. But you are an adult, I guess, and do what you want. I would suggest some adex in pct as well. If your nuts are an issue I'd run the Hcg halfway through cycle to end at 250 iu'2x a week. Post cycle also last two weeks(hcg). IMO your pct should be 6 weeks. I ran a similar cycle and thats how I did it.

[one8nine]

Cool thanks for the help lads much appreciated Is there any need to run the letro for the whole cycle or just if bad bloat or signs of gyno start to appear?

i prefer to prevent sides, rather than to fight them when they pop up

[crispybacon]

Ok roger that, so run the letro at bout .25mgs ED or EOD? I understand that you need to start running letro bout 2 weeks before you cycle to let it stabilize in your blood

[rhino1]

Drop the deca , drop the sus

Keep dbol

Run cyp or enth 400-500 should be good....

follow those guys ideas for pct

Save the deca for next cycle.... too many compounds for 1st cycle

[rhino1]

listen to 189....sust sucks....and he knows what he is talking about regarding sides

[crispybacon]

yea going to do test-e at 600mg EW instead

[rhino1]

yea going to do test-e at 600mg EW instead

do 300mg 2xwk...every 4th day...or mon/thur....something like that....the blood plasma levels will be more stable that way.

[one8nine]

Ok roger that, so run the letro at bout .25mgs ED or EOD? I understand that you need to start running letro bout 2 weeks before you cycle to let it stabilize in your blood

nah its fine your test will take a while to kick in anyway
eod then up it if you feel like you need

[crispybacon]

Ok here is the revised version of what I started with:

CYCLE

WK 1-4 Dbol 50mg ED (2x25mg)
WK 1-10 Deca 300mg EW (2x150mg)
WK 1-12 Test E 600mg EW (2x300mg)
WK 1-16 Phosphatidylserine 300mg ED
WK 1-12 Letro .25mg EOD


PCT

WK 10-14 Hcg 500iu 2x a WK
WK 12-16 Nolva 20mg ED
WK 12-16 Proviron 50mg ED

What kind of gains can be expected from this, 25lb keeping maybe 20ish?

[N*E*R*D]

Ok here is the revised version of what I started with:

CYCLE

WK 1-4 Dbol 50mg ED (2x25mg)
WK 1-10 Deca 300mg EW (2x150mg)
WK 1-12 Test E 600mg EW (2x300mg)
WK 1-16 Phosphatidylserine 300mg ED
WK 1-12 Letro .25mg EOD


PCT

WK 10-14 Hcg 500iu 2x a WK
WK 12-16 Nolva 20mg ED
WK 12-16 Proviron 50mg ED

What kind of gains can be expected from this, 25lb keeping maybe 20ish?

All depends on your diet and workout routine but those gains are plausible.

[crispybacon]

Will be tryin to get around 5000 cals a day or so and will be doing a 5 on 2 off routine