should i stop d-bol, some quick advice plz

**muhammad1185** · 08-20-2008, 11:28 AM

hi,
im currently on the below cycle-

dbol - 30 mg a day
test-500 mgs a week, 2 shots a week,

i just wanted to know ive been on cycle for over 4 weeks now, and was thinking of coming of the d-bol, and just waiting for test to work its magic, should i continue with the d-bol for 2 more weeks or am i ok to come off, i just used it to kickstart my cycle.

lastly while on test alone should i be taking some anti estrogen, if so would it be the normal arimidix, i dont have any sides or gyno as yet, should i worry about these with a test only cycle, and im i meant to start my pct 2-3 weeks after my last injection, thats what they all recommend.

cheers people

**SampsonandDelilah** · 08-20-2008, 11:39 AM

Dude...I'm not trying to be a dick...but there is soooooo much info on this site, that you have obviously not looked into it at all. Look in the PCT section...being a noob to this board myself...I can tell you these guys will help...but first you have to help yourself (I guarantee this question has been answered somewhere) Good luck!

**muhammad1185** · 08-20-2008, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Dude...I'm not trying to be a dick...but there is soooooo much info on this site, that you have obviously not looked into it at all. Look in the PCT section...being a noob to this board myself...I can tell you these guys will help...but first you have to help yourself (I guarantee this question has been answered somewhere) Good luck!

dude, ive did the reading, i was asking for their opinion, i know what im doing on my pct, just double checking,

**loellawrence** · 08-20-2008, 11:44 AM

bro i would keep on dbol for 2 more week.
thats just me tho.

**Rando911** · 08-20-2008, 11:47 AM

So many ppl with rude advise.. Only keep on The Dbol for 6 weeks at that dose.

**muhammad1185** · 08-20-2008, 11:57 AM

yeh i was thinking the same, but ive had no sides as yet and no gyno, i dnt want to start getting probs in my last two weeks, that would just suck,

"So many ppl with rude advise.. Only keep on The Dbol for 6 weeks at that dose."

bro u get them all the time, not everyones the same, just ignore them,

thanks for advise people

**SampsonandDelilah** · 08-20-2008, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by muhammad1185

hi,

lastly while on test alone should i be taking some anti estrogen, if so would it be the normal arimidix, i dont have any sides or gyno as yet, should i worry about these with a test only cycle, and im i meant to start my pct 2-3 weeks after my last injection, thats what they all recommend.

cheers people

I wasn't trying to be rude...or a dick (as I said)

Your PCT for Test E should be 14 days after last inj. and consist of an AI and a SERM

(http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=352741)

Regardless of gyno symptoms or not...you'll want to restore your natural test

the advice I got (since I'm on a similar cycle) is Nolva and Proviron

sorry for coming off the wrong way...typed text is an easy way to be mis-understood...I was just trying to help you increase your rate of success in a reply...good luck bro

**muhammad1185** · 08-20-2008, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

I wasn't trying to be rude...or a dick (as I said)

Your PCT for Test E should be 14 days after last inj. and consist of an AI and a SERM

(http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=352741)

Regardless of gyno symptoms or not...you'll want to restore your natural test

the advice I got (since I'm on a similar cycle) is Nolva and Proviron

sorry for coming off the wrong way...typed text is an easy way to be mis-understood...I was just trying to help you increase your rate of success in a reply...good luck bro

no probs mate, i dnt take it to heart, its cool, just a misunderstanding, i apologise too.

yeh nolva and proviron is what i was thinking, many say clomids useless, so thats all we got fot pct really hey. what cycle you on? u noticed any gains as yet?

**muhammad1185** · 08-20-2008, 12:08 PM

sampson have youre balls shrank, i swer i fink mine have, i dnt know wheter its coz in paranoid and ive read it so many times, or if its reality, they say on pct they get back to normal as the test levels balance out and recover, sori bro was dieing to ask you

**SampsonandDelilah** · 08-20-2008, 12:19 PM

Glad we're all good!

Test Cyp...400 mgs a week for 10 weeks (broke into two shots...sundays and thurs.) I have some D-bol...but not sure if I'm going to use it as a jump start...thats why I didn't reply to your D-bol question...I've heard mixed reports and decided to stay with one agent...(though I'm tempted and want to hear what others say about your D-bol question)

No ball shrinkage yet....but I just started it. (I'm praying they don't...but thats where the PCT comes into play)

Below is an answer to some questions I had on my cycle (fyi..I'm staying away from the clomid...mixed opinions on it...but everyone seemed to agree on Proviron and Nolva...and they were easy to track down...and from my research, armindex and Nolva dont run well together...but proviron and nolva do well together)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah
I thought the Nolva was for Gyno too...and for holding off the excess estrogen (i.e. gyno) I read that once signs of gyno start, to take 10 mg of Nolva until symptoms subside. Is the AI an additive to a two prong attack on gyno? I swear I'm doing my reading fellas (have been for a while) but the whole PCT (AI, SERM) has me utterly confused. It is more of a case of opinion?

AIs stop test from converting to estrogen.
SERMS block existing estro- never use on cycle
cabergoline reduces progest/prolactin
AIs-
-arimidex is best on cycle to prevent estro. arimidex is avoided in pct because nolvadex reduces the effectiveness of arimidex.
-letro is very strong, it prevents estro conversion, also reduces progesterone/prolactin. also can reverse gyno. its best on cycle cause when you stop there can be a hard estrogen rebound
-aromasin is a good ai, usually used in pct cause its okay with nolva
-proviron is a DHT , but also used as an AI- my fav
SERM
-nolva blocks existing estrogen from attaching to brest tissue, and helps some restroring test
-clomid is best for restoring natural test at 25mg ed, and helps some to block estrogen

see if these dont clear some stuff up:

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-cycle-therapy/354573-one8nines-opinion-pct-links-side-effect-control-too.html#post4111013

estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
estrogen/progesterone and gyno/side effects INFO FOR NEW GUYS

Quote:
Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah
I'm following the unofficial how to do pct thread (reiterates an AI)

EDIT...went back and re-read some old and new posts (seems like the same questions are asked 1000 times over....don't want to be that guy!)

looks like one AI and one SERM should be run....but on 400 mg's of CYP...looks like some agree that just Nolva will do.

Since I'm not running a heavy stack...is the AI needed? If I were to add the AI....would I run aromasin or armidex along w/ my Nolva?

so PCT...I'm thinking was nolva .40 weeks 1-2...then .20 for weeks 3-4

or should I go

1-4 nolva 20mgs ed
1-4 armidex .5mgs ed?

Sorry for all the damn question asking...but want to get it right...double edge sword, ya know? (to many questions vs. not enough)

pct-
nolva 20mg ed
aromasin 50mg or proviron 50mg ed
(optional) clomid 25mg

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Last edited by one8nine; Yesterday at 08:53 AM.

***ANABOLIC SUPERMAN*** · 08-20-2008, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Dude...I'm not trying to be a dick...but there is soooooo much info on this site, that you have obviously not looked into it at all. Look in the PCT section...being a noob to this board myself...I can tell you these guys will help...but first you have to help yourself (I guarantee this question has been answered somewhere) Good luck!

I disagree with the comment 'You have obviously not looked into it at all' Obviously he has, his dosages are fine hes shooting at the right time, he knew dbol was great to kick start his cycle so yes he has done research unlike yourself who has done deca only cycles and no pct in the past.(Where was your research there?)

**SampsonandDelilah** · 08-20-2008, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by bigbigt

I disagree with the comment 'You have obviously not looked into it at all' Obviously he has, his dosages are fine hes shooting at the right time, he knew dbol was great to kick start his cycle so yes he has done research unlike yourself who has done deca only cycles and no pct in the past.(Where was your research there?)

Ouch...It was almost a decade ago...and if you read my whole post...you'd notice I admitted to being a dummy...and not doing ANY research was a HUGE mistake (this type of site wasn't around...shit the internet was barely around). Thats why this go-round I've spent hours reading through posts and stickies. and bro...he asked if he should be taking andy anti-estrogens on his cycle...thats what prompted me to think he hadn't been doing his reading. I also went back and apologized.

Thanks for your two cents though

***ANABOLIC SUPERMAN*** · 08-20-2008, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Ouch...It was almost a decade ago...and if you read my whole post...you'd notice I admitted to being a dummy...and not doing ANY research was a HUGE mistake (this type of site wasn't around...shit the internet was barely around). Thats why this go-round I've spent hours reading through posts and stickies. and bro...he asked if he should be taking andy anti-estrogens on his cycle...thats what prompted me to think he hadn't been doing his reading. I also went back and apologized.

Thanks for your two cents though

I read your post. so he obviously has done research but wasnt sure about anti e's prompted you to think he hadnt done any research at all? Dont talk s.hit bro.

**SampsonandDelilah** · 08-20-2008, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by bigbigt

I read your post. so he obviously has done research but wasnt sure about anti e's prompted you to think he hadnt done any research at all? Dont talk s.hit bro.

What part of apology don't you understand??

"Dont talk s.hit"? How about taking your own advice? (insert appropriate icon here)

Instead of arguing with me...why don't you offer the dude some advice? Or are you just looking to haggle? I'm sure we can find a more appropriate forum for rhetoric and debate...let me know.

**CheddaNips** · 08-20-2008, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Ouch...It was almost a decade ago...and if you read my whole post...you'd notice I admitted to being a dummy...and not doing ANY research was a HUGE mistake (this type of site wasn't around...shit the internet was barely around). Thats why this go-round I've spent hours reading through posts and stickies. and bro...he asked if he should be taking andy anti-estrogens on his cycle...thats what prompted me to think he hadn't been doing his reading. I also went back and apologized.

Thanks for your two cents though

Well it was a dick thing to make smart remarks to someone asking VETs opinions wether to stay on d-bol for 4 or 6 weeks.

Honestly Bro

But to answer the orig posters question.
It is up to you bud. 4wk kickstart is normal but for some people they dont get the full test effects till week 5-6 so if you want to stay on that is fine, if not then thats cool too.

***ANABOLIC SUPERMAN*** · 08-20-2008, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

What part of apology don't you understand??

"Dont talk s.hit"? How about taking your own advice? (insert appropriate icon here)

Instead of arguing with me...why don't you offer the dude some advice? Or are you just looking to haggle? I'm sure we can find a more appropriate forum for rhetoric and debate...let me know. What you got in mind?

Did i say you didnt apologise? NOOOOOOOOOOO Who is arguing? ive made my replies to your questions but youve replied utter nonsense to mine. Unless youve got an intelligent reply shut up.

***ANABOLIC SUPERMAN*** · 08-20-2008, 12:52 PM

And oh he doesnt need my advise as obviously youve got it covered.

**SampsonandDelilah** · 08-20-2008, 12:57 PM

Bro...my only comment was on on him asking if he should take anything for PCT. (his original question "lastly while on test alone should i be taking some anti estrogen").... I made an assumption..That was it...my mistake for thinking he hadn't read up. I made no reply on his d-bol stoppage. And I think I made every effort into steering him into the same questions I recently had.

I've made my ammends...and taken my lumps

***ANABOLIC SUPERMAN*** · 08-20-2008, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Bro...my only comment was on on him asking if he should take anything for PCT. (his original question "lastly while on test alone should i be taking some anti estrogen").... I made an assumption..That was it...my mistake for thinking he hadn't read up. I made no reply on his d-bol stoppage. And I think I made every effort into steering him into the same questions I recently had.

I've made my ammends...and taken my lumps

Fair enough. We gotta stop hijacking this thread.

**SampsonandDelilah** · 08-20-2008, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by bigbigt

Fair enough. We gotta stop hijacking this thread.

DEAL...damn...I had NO idea the can I opened...seriously. (the initial tone was WAY harsher than I had intended...as I said earlier...was just trying to steer a dude to the answer to the same question that I asked earlier)

**mkrulic** · 08-20-2008, 01:10 PM

I run all my orals at 6 weeks

**one8nine** · 08-20-2008, 01:43 PM

you asked me this in pm did you get my reply?

**muhammad1185** · 08-20-2008, 03:11 PM

ok guys lets not argue and debate, lets act civilized and share opinions and offer advice, thats what forums are here for, everyday you learn something new, thanks for all the feedback,

sampson im sure youve got that info from one8nines post, ive read that, im makes sense. im going to do the same pct as you, its meant to be the most effective one.
yeh i know what you mean, d-bols reali tempting, but let me tell you one thing you can gain serious weight of it, its prob water retention but ive put on 4 kgs, i dont see bloat, its just pure muscle, and for somene who cant even put on a pound no matter what i eat thats a result. aint had no sides apart from some spots on my face, (only a few).

10 weeks for a beginer can result in some good gains, im going for 12, coz it starts at week 5-6, and i want a full 6 weeks on cycle, peaks around half way through, so on a ten week cycle youre left with 3-4 to gain, i just want the extra.

wat suplements you taking?

**SampsonandDelilah** · 08-20-2008, 04:34 PM

Thanks for taking the high road!

I did get the PCT info from one8nine's post and he was kind enough to respond to the post I had a little while back (thats what I cut and pasted onto my reply) I didn't even mention the d-bol..because after reading everything, it seemed the consensus was to just stick with one agent (which I'm going to do...I'll save the D-bol for the next go round).

As far as supplements...I'm only taking a multi-vitamin, protein powder, B-6 pill and am thinking I need to get some fish oil. I was taking creatine prior to getting started, but stopped because it didn't seem becessary while taking an AAS (will probably start the creatine after finishing however). I'm stoked the D-bol's working for ya! It'll be hard waiting for the Cyp to kick in...but I know it'll be worth it.

What supps are you taking? Have you thought about keeping a journal? I just started and plan on taking pics along the way to track my progress....(I really like looking at the members cycle results forum...keeps me motivated!)

Good luck bro...keep me posted