my prop and tren cycle opinions and advice

**johnjohny** · 08-26-2008, 11:39 AM

all right I just start my first cycle of prop and tren acc
I am taking the shots every 3 days
I am taking 450 mg of prop a week and 300mg of tren a week
Also to lessen the sides taking 20 to 25 mg of tamox a week

And for post cycle I have hcg and armadex not sure about the doses yet for that so any input would be considered

2 questions
Why the he'll dose the prop hurt so much and how long till I will start seeing the effects/results

**ghettoboyd** · 08-26-2008, 11:43 AM

im no expert but peeps r gona say that you should inject every day or at least every other day.

**JiGGaMaN** · 08-26-2008, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by ghettoboyd

im no expert but peeps r gona say that you should inject every day or at least every other day.

You're damn right.

**Jfew44** · 08-26-2008, 12:01 PM

Stats? Age, bf%, training exp, cycle exp, diet, ect?

**Jfew44** · 08-26-2008, 12:02 PM

Get some Nolva, drop the arimidex and get proviron for PCT. Start hcg 1 week before end of cycle, run it 2 weeks into pct. Start PCT 1 week after cycle.
All you need to know right here:
one8nine's opinion on pct (links to side effect control too)

Shoot prop and Tren a ed, not 3x a week.

Prop hurts to some people, I've never had any pain. Depends on the person.

**johnjohny** · 08-26-2008, 12:08 PM

I'm 6'3" 272 pound 16% bd fat been lifting since I was 14 I'm 23 now this is my first cycle never done one before and tamox is nolva as my readi g have said and I already bought the armadex
Why is it so bad to do it every 3 days?

**johnjohny** · 08-26-2008, 12:11 PM

oh and I'm also rotating clen and eca every 2 weeks and my cycle is an 8 week one

**Jfew44** · 08-26-2008, 12:16 PM

Bro, do a test only first cycle. What if you have amazing results from this cycle and want to do it again, only you use test e or a diff compound than tren next time? Will it work? You dont know. Thats why a test only first cycle is recommended.

Also you need to get that bf% down before starting your cycle. I would recommend 12% at least. At 6'3" 272 you'd really have to be a beast to be 16%. Where did you get your bf% tested at?

**redz** · 08-26-2008, 12:17 PM

Terrible cycle. Do not run that cycle!

1-Those compounds need to be shot ed or eod at the very minimum to keep blood levels stable
2- Dont take nolva on cycle
3-pct should have a serm and ai
4-do you have anything ready in case you get prolactin sides?

**BUYLONGTERM** · 08-26-2008, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by johnjohny

I'm 6'3" 272 pound 16% bd fat been lifting since I was 14 I'm 23 now this is my first cycle never done one before and tamox is nolva as my readi g have said and I already bought the armadex
Why is it so bad to do it every 3 days?

I STRONGLY recommend you doing a Test E only cycle. Tren is for people who have several cycles under their belt. If you run those 2 compounds 3 days a week, your blood levels are going to be whacked out BIG TIME! Tren is nothing to mess with. I'm about to come off because I simply cannot take it any longer

BTW, you dont want to take HCG post cycle. I doubt if your ever going to need it. Get yourself some CLOMID.

**WARMachine** · 08-26-2008, 12:43 PM

Ok where to begin?

Originally Posted by johnjohny

all right I just start my first cycle of prop and tren acc
I am taking the shots every 3 days
I am taking 450 mg of prop a week and 300mg of tren a week
Also to lessen the sides taking 20 to 25 mg of tamox a week

And for post cycle I have hcg and armadex not sure about the doses yet for that so any input would be considered

2 questions
Why the he'll dose the prop hurt so much and how long till I will start seeing the effects/results

First off, DO NOT take tamox on cycle!
Secondly, you need to be injecting ED! not eod, ED!
Test prop, Tren A=ED!
If you are scared of needles then do
Test E, Tren E

You need to have a SERM and a AI during PCT, and i like HCG, if not, get clomid at 50mg ED first week, 25mg ED from there on...[U]__________________________________________________ __________

Originally Posted by johnjohny

I'm 6'3" 272 pound 16% bd fat been lifting since I was 14 I'm 23 now this is my first cycle never done one before and tamox is nolva as my readi g have said and I already bought the armadex
Why is it so bad to do it every 3 days?

16%BF is too high, you need to be as close to 12% at least. If this is your first cycle, you should be running Test E @250mg 2xW for 12 weeks!

And if you do not know why its bad to inject every 3 days with this particular cycle, you shouldnt be doing it in the first place!

Originally Posted by johnjohny

oh and I'm also rotating clen and eca every 2 weeks and my cycle is an 8 week one

Youre doing Clen on cycle too? And this is only a 8 week cycle?

You sir, do not have a clue as to what youre doing...

189's pct
http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-cycle-therapy/354573-one8nines-opinion-pct-links-side-effect-control-too.html#post4111013

one8nine's starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=352741

Test Beginner Cycle Guide
Test beginner cycle info

HCG crash course
crash course in HCG

read those...

Youre not ready for a cycle dude...

**testigator** · 08-26-2008, 01:01 PM

My 2 cents and 15 years of experience... More research is needed before you run this cycle. Please don't run fina for the first cycle. Please shot the test-P everyday and if you have your mind made up on the fina...run it everyday. As BUYLONGTERM and many others have said...run TEST-E only for your first cycle. You will see how your body reacts to TEST and you will have huge gains. Save the other junk for later in life. Good luck and keep using this board.