Cycle plus gyno/pct help

**SuperG** · 09-02-2008, 10:21 AM

OK, I've done a lot of reading/research here and I'd like some feedback on my situation from some of the vets.

I did my first cycle earlier this year... 10weeks - 200 EQ(**) twice per week & 250 Test E (***) twice per week

I got great results but I stopped early because of gyno. My side effects on cycle were gyno & very intense muscle cramps, usually at night... I got a charliehorse in my abs so bad that I almost puked and thougt I was going to pass out. Even bad cramps in my neck muscles... and of sourse my legs.

Once in pct, I got acne and I was very bloated.
I used clomid, nolva, and letro for pct. I finished my pct and everything cleared up except the gyno.

About a month ago I got back on the letro to get rid of the gyno before my next cycle, but no luck yet. I'm taking 2.5mg per day. I've recently noticed some change on the right side but not on the left.

I also just broke myself of a caffeine habit last week... 6+ red bulls a day.

And I want to start my next cycle in about 3 weeks... 250 test E 2 x's week & 250 EQ 2 x's week for 14 weeks

For the next 3 weeks I want to shred with T3 and Clen before I start my cycle.

There is a lot of info out there but I want to know what might be best for my experiences/cycle. Here are my questions...

Would the caffeine inhibit the letro? And how much longer before I give up on it reversing my gyno?

Is letro/T3/Clen ok together post cycle?

Any advice on a different/better pct?

Any advice for keeping gyno away (or from getting worse) on cycle, given the cycle I will be starting?

Any other advice is welcomed...

Thanks!

**SuperG** · 09-02-2008, 10:39 AM

One more thing... mixing the test e and eq, the inject site would be sore for a couple of days(had me limping after I inject into my quads), like I was kicked in the same spot 30 times... normal?
It did get better deeper into the cycle.

**one8nine** · 09-02-2008, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by SuperG

OK, I've done a lot of reading/research here and I'd like some feedback on my situation from some of the vets.

I did my first cycle earlier this year... 10weeks - 200 EQ(EDIT THIS UGL) twice per week & 250 Test E (Int Pharm) twice per week

I got great results but I stopped early because of gyno. My side effects on cycle were gyno & very intense muscle cramps, usually at night... I got a charliehorse in my abs so bad that I almost puked and thougt I was going to pass out. Even bad cramps in my neck muscles... and of sourse my legs.

test gyno can be prevented with an ai or cured with letro

gyno reversal
All you need to know about GYNO.

estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
estrogen/progesterone and gyno/side effects INFO FOR NEW GUYS

Once in pct, I got acne and I was very bloated.
I used clomid, nolva, and letro for pct. I finished my pct and everything cleared up except the gyno.

letro in pct is not smart it can cause estrogen rebound

About a month ago I got back on the letro to get rid of the gyno before my next cycle, but no luck yet. I'm taking 2.5mg per day. I've recently noticed some change on the right side but not on the left.

I also just broke myself of a caffeine habit last week... 6+ red bulls a day.

And I want to start my next cycle in about 3 weeks... 250 test E 2 x's week & 250 EQ 2 x's week for 14 weeks

what do you expect to get out of eq?

For the next 3 weeks I want to shred with T3 and Clen before I start my cycle.

here are some faqs if you dunno

clen FAQ
Clen Faq. You better like it it took me ages.
Clenbuteral Faq: Everything You Need To Know

t3 threads
Formula for Cycling and Dosing T3
Here Are Some T3 Threads For Research......fyi.....

There is a lot of info out there but I want to know what might be best for my experiences/cycle. Here are my questions...

Would the caffeine inhibit the letro? And how much longer before I give up on it reversing my gyno?

Is letro/T3/Clen ok together post cycle?

clen okay
t3/letro- only on cycle

Any advice on a different/better pct?

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-cycle-therapy/354573-one8nines-opinion-pct-links-side-effect-control-too.html#post4111013

Any advice for keeping gyno away (or from getting worse) on cycle, given the cycle I will be starting?

letro .25mg ed

injection pain/kicked 30 times

that sounds extreme but yeah its normal, not usually that bad though especially with long esters

**SuperG** · 09-02-2008, 01:00 PM

I've read these other post before and they are helpful, I just didn't know there was better advice give my exact cycle and sides. Just wondering if there was any cycle specific info for the test e and eq for a 14 week cycle.

Why T3 only on cycle? Even the link you sent says to stack T3 and Clen .

I understand the rebound effect of letro and I'm prepared with nolva.
I AM trying to reverse gyno right now. I'm taking 2.5mg per day and it's seem to be having little effect. I've been on letro for about one month now... any additional advice on getting rid of this gyno?

My first cycle was test e and eq... I loved it. I expect to be more vascular, big pumps, and lean gains by including eq. It leaned me out very well the first time while putting on 15lbs of hard muscle with the test e. It worked well for me so I thought I would stick with it.

Thanks for the help!

**one8nine** · 09-02-2008, 02:28 PM

these drugs cover estrogen:
Arimidex aka Anastrozole (.25mg ed)
Aromasin aka Exemestane (25mg ed)
Proviron aka Mesterolone (50mg ed)

AI-
By the right AI i mean either:
Proviron 50mg (lowers SHBG, lowers aromatization)
Aromasin 50mg (lowers aromatization, unaffected by nolva).
Two bad choices for AI in pct are letro and Arimidex:
letro can cause an estrogen rebound when stopped.
Arimidex and Nolvadex reduce each others effectiveness.

edit the ugl out of your post

sorry no more gyno reversal advice, ive always decided to prevent gyno with letro that way i dont end up trying to fight gyno

thats good those are your expectations of eq because it wont do any more than that

good luck bro sorry bout that gyno