Just a quick ?

**rmp5sxxx** · 10-01-2008, 11:17 PM

Hi everyone. Tis my first post. :-D

I'm going off to United States Marine Corps boot camp in late January. I've been training for a while now and everything is coming along ok but I'm wondering if steroids /HGH/supplements could help me. I don't know if there is enough time for anything to help much or not. I'm completely new to this whole thing. After a couple hrs of research, I'm pretty much as lost as I was to start...if not more...hopefully you all can give me a little direction.

My goals are pretty normal...burn as much excess fat as I can in the couple months before I leave, add as much muscle as I can and increase endurance as much as I can. I'm 25 yrs old, about 6', 195 lbs and I'm having a bit of trouble getting below 18% body fat...and that's not great. I'm not looking to get huge or be on anything for a long period of time, but if something could help to get me further in the time before boot than I could on my own, I'm all for it. I'm not going to be playing sports so "cheating" isn't a factor and, before I do anything, I'm going to check with the recruiter to make sure I can't get in trouble for it.
I'd prefer oral over injected. (I was eyeballin Anavar ...seems ok...)
Side effects are a concern (shrinking balls and gyno, mostly...lol) but, as long as they aren't permanent, it's ok I guess.
I don't want anything habit forming or anything...I only want to (will be able to) take it for the 2 months or so before I leave for boot.
Strength and endurance gains are my main priorities.

I just don't know if 2-2.5 months is enough time for it to do much. If something could help, anyone have any recommendations? Any help greatly appreciated!

--Brent

**JiGGaMaN** · 10-01-2008, 11:47 PM

The problem is you tend to run into more estrogen related side effects the higher bf % you get. I can understand where you're coming from though, the better shape you are in the better off you'll be in training. I recommend the following: try anavar or turinabol + T3 +clen .

**anabolictonic** · 10-02-2008, 12:01 AM

depends how hard core u wanna go m8... dnp if used correctly would drop fat quick as dogs balls but its dangerous as hell.. prob just go with somethin like jigga said... just dont take clen 2 close to ur cardio cos it can screw up ur breathing

**rmp5sxxx** · 10-02-2008, 12:20 AM

Yea...your physical shape is the only part of it all that you can control and is the only part of it you can even almost prepare for. I want to do as much as I can and anything I can get to help would be awesome. Thanks for the reply!

You're recommending a stack then? Anavar or Turinabol (which I'm unfamiliar with) with T3 and Clen ? After pokin around for T3 and Clen info, because I didn't know what they were, I found a couple interesting things out about them. 1) 90% of people talking about Clen and T3 either say it's great or horribly dangerous...no middle ground. 2) liquid T3 isn't horribly expensive. Haven't looked for Clen or turinabol yet and I haven't been able to find Anavar to save my life. Anyone else have any comments on this recommendation? I might just alternate T3 and Clen till I leave if it should work for what I'm looking to accomplish since this might be the most economical route and since I can't find Anavar anywhere.

Anyone have any other suggestions?

Thanks for the info!

--Brent

**anabolictonic** · 10-02-2008, 12:28 AM

clen is the fat burner and it lowers t3/t4 levels which is why u put it in there but neither is anabolic /androgenic so u wont build ne muscle... heres somethin u may want to consider.. turinabol is a derivative of dianabol minus the ability to aromotize... i have just finished jumpstart to cycle with dianabol and .5mg eod of arimidex (AI) and there was no water weight at all only a few lbs gained but all muscle and dianabol is meant to improve aerobic indurance.. everyone will say no dont dianabol is this and that its all water, oral only sucks, but 4 ur situation it may be ok.. i am aware noone will agree with me lol but theres somethin worth thinkin about... only thing is on dbol watch the back cramps... especially with the clen so ud definately need taurine DEFINATELY to stop muscle cramps.. i just think dieting down this quick with clen and no anabolic.. (TEST would be best ) risks losing alot of muscle! its most recommended to run clen with some aas to reduce muscle loss

**rmp5sxxx** · 10-02-2008, 12:52 AM

Hmmm...yea...muscle loss is the exact opposite of what I'm going for. lol Definately need the muscle gains (to help with the inevitable pushups, pullups, situps, etc) and the aerobic gains (running is my biggest weakness now so some help in this area would be nice) are what I need the most.

As far as how extreme I want to go, I'm kinda down for whatever. I'm just looking at my options now anyway so throw whatever out there. I won't have a ton of money for this stuff, so that's a consideration. I don't have a ton of time to get where I want to get to, either. But...I'm checking out everything from simple ephedra to boost energy and suppress appetite to HGH which seems like a kind of middle road all the way up to all out AS. Whatever might fit my needs best, I'll DEFINATELY look into. I'd like to decide and make a purchase in the next week or 2.

So keep the thoughts comin!

Thanks!

--Brent