need some opinons on a 1st oral cycle...

**Randall6** · 10-09-2008, 07:07 AM

I'm not doing anything yet...
I just want to know what I'm after...when the time comes,
I'm 24 , 195lb , 5'8 , diets great! 300grams protein, 3000 cals
been lifting for 3months or more....(not the point) from 180lb to 195lb...(which is great for me!)

I'm bulking now...probably to 205...then I'm gonna cut back down to idk...
(just to get the BF off)

so maybe here in about a year...I may need some help./
I'm scared of needles,, (I know I've read alot of posts on stay away from them if you cant use a needle...the benefits may not be as good as injecting...& so on...)
but its what I want to do...so plz bare with me...

anyways, (my goals to hit maybe 220-235 all muscle...alot of that uptop)
-also depending on what that looks like...

what about this as a 1st oral cycle:

Anabol
Milk Thistle
& maybe Andriol ?

would this be a good jump start..?

**god-send** · 10-09-2008, 07:12 AM

if your gaining good why the hell do you want to use steroids ?

you keep the diet and lifting natural going untill you cant gain anymore then you add more food to your diet and see if you can gain.

cycle is poor by the way

3 months lifting and wanting to use ass .....oh dear...

**Randall6** · 10-09-2008, 07:13 AM

yea I know the cycles a bit poor...
but what can you expect with orals only??

& I'm not taking anything now...nor in the next year...
my gains are going good right now..
but I know to get passed my limits I will need some help.

**JiGGaMaN** · 10-09-2008, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by god-send

if your gaining good why the hell do you want to use steroids ?

you keep the diet and lifting natural going untill you cant gain anymore then you add more food to your diet and see if you can gain.

cycle is poor by the way

3 months lifting and wanting to use ass .....oh dear...

hehehehehhehehehe. dont use dbol only, man up and inject. its not so bad, i promise.

**Randall6** · 10-09-2008, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN

man up and inject. its not so bad, i promise.

now see...
that makes me feel comfortable...

the guy above jumped into it & made it look like I said I'm doing steroids now....now now I said!!!

& I'm just wanting to get a 1st cycle down pat in my head...& actually take a good year thinking about it...over & over... ...& over... (& possible/probably longer)

but after seeing peoples arms & legs swell up ,red with puss -infection everywhere,,,then people having their arms(muscles) cut & stuff..
idk if needles will ever be my thing,...
honestly...
I probably would not do any type of steroids if injecting was the only way.

I knew this would be a tough thread to handle...

this guys d-bol only thread went pretty good
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=333564

but I also mentioned using andriol ..
the oral test stacked with anabol...
but all this was just an option...

I'm open to any suggestions...
just not soo much injections...

thx for replying!

**redz** · 10-09-2008, 07:59 AM

Man up and learn to like the pins or forget the juice!

**JiGGaMaN** · 10-09-2008, 08:30 AM

I dont think ive ever seen an infection from injecting. I just finished a 16 week cycle of ed injects with no problemos.

**Big** · 10-09-2008, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Randall6

but after seeing peoples arms & legs swell up ,red with puss -infection everywhere,,,then people having their arms(muscles) cut & stuff..
idk if needles will ever be my thing,...

off topic but on point, do you ever ride in an automobile? I've seen some pretty bad accidents.
I don't want to steer you towards a cycle because we both know you aren't ready, but if the day comes that you are you should reconsider injecting. It's a shame to rule out anything that works well when done properly because of the things that can happen when done improperly.

**Randall6** · 10-09-2008, 08:45 AM

yea..but man,
honestly....right now...I'm reading alot of old posts...& wow!
searching & searching...reading & reading...

I think I might stick with an oral cycle when the time comes...
I just would really like some advice on how things would go & how things are with the cycle & items I've chosen...

I think I could handle the water rentention that d-bol would try & hand me..
milk thistle for the liver...
& I was thinking andriol as test...
I know on the andriol you need to take alot throughout the day...like 10-15..which is dangerous...but I wouldn't do that...
I would guess taking it every 8 hours...
& however much test I got is how it would be..

& from what I'm reading...20mg to 30mg a day on anabol ?
I'll keep reading & searching..like I've been doing..

but I wanted to post up what I thought...what I have in mind...
& at the very most...
(what I can get)

**Randall6** · 10-09-2008, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Big

off topic but on point, do you ever ride in an automobile? I've seen some pretty bad accidents.
I don't want to steer you towards a cycle because we both know you aren't ready, but if the day comes that you are you should reconsider injecting. It's a shame to rule out anything that works well when done properly because of the things that can happen when done improperly.

wow!
right on the point!

it comes acrossed my head everyday!
I know its the best way...orals not so good on liver,,nor the best results
maybe when the time comes I may consider injecting...the proper most effective way
but from my point of view right now...i dont see it happening...

but again...MAYBE .. when the time comes...idk

great post!
if I could rep I would

**Bjohnson** · 10-09-2008, 11:18 AM

Tbol(do a search) is the one oral only cycle anyone will recomend but you do need to have your diet and training straight for it to really do some good. People tend to start at 40mg ed and work up till they can't take it anymore. It can be harsh on the system. (50 was my sweet spot) Ive heard others say 60, 70 or 80 was theirs. I don't think i would go higher than 80.