Itchy and Sensitive Nips

[M302_Imola]

I have a friend that ran a Test E 10 week cycle followed by a 3 week cycle of the original superdrol and no matter how much I pleaded with him to do a proper PCT, he refused. He got some tribulus and thought it would be sufficient even though I warned him. Well needless to say he has been having some itchy/sensitive nipples (gyno). I told him to get some letro, so he did and the problem went away, but since he has stopped taking the letro the problem came back. I told him that it was “estrogen rebound” and explained the little knowledge I know on the subject. I also told him that this all could have been avoided with a proper PCT. My question is what is the best way for him to fight off this “estrogen rebound”? I have never ran into this personally so I am at a lost what to tell him.

[Mulciber]

should have tapered off the letro... try nolvadex

[inky-e]

Should have done a good pct from the get go.

[M302_Imola]

Should have done a good pct from the get go.

no shit...I tried to tell him! Got to love head-strong people

[M302_Imola]

should have tapered off the letro... try nolvadex

Yeah I didn't even think to tell him to taper off on the letro. Although I only had him running a small dose .30 mg ED. If I get him to taper down his letro dosage after the gyno is gone can he get away from the rebound without the nolva? He doesn't have any nolva but I could get some for him it needed. Thanks for your help.

[Mulciber]

yep.. the nolvadex will keep the estrogen from binding and causing an issue

[M302_Imola]

yep.. the nolvadex will keep the estrogen from binding and causing an issue

sounds good...what dosage and duration for the nolvadex and letro?

[inky-e]

I use adex to combat this kinda shit...it works well for me.

[M302_Imola]

Thanks for all of your suggestions thus far guys. I talked with my buddy again last night to find out the extent of his gyno symptoms. His nips are sensitive to the touch but he also stated he is shut down pretty bad. I suggested a proper PCT at this point using nolvadex , letro, and possible clomid. My suggestion would be:
Week 1: 40mg Nolva, 50mg Clomid, Letro ?
Week 2: 40mg Nolva, 50mg Clomid, Letro ?
Week 3: 20mg Nolva, 25mg Clomid, Letro ?
Week 4: 20mg Nolva, 25mg Clomid, Letro ?
Can someone guide me on the letro dosage (keep in mind we want to get rid of the existing gyno and prevent the estrogen rebound)? Also, do you think that the addition of clomid is necessary? Also, HCG is not an option as we can't find it.

[Charger527]

Is he on cycle at the moment or just finshed one?

id go letro
day 1 .5mg
day 2 1mg
day 3 1.5mg
day 4 2mg
day 5 2.5mg stay at this does until symptoms are gone and step down in reverse.
then on your last day at .5mg start nolvedex at 40mg for a few days then step to 20mg then to 10mg.


If it is true gyno though only surgary will get rid of it. imo

[Charger527]

oh sorry are his symptoms already gone and are just coming back because of estrogen rebound?

Could run a pct like you said then without the letro. you could throw in adex aswell but you would have to run it at a hight dose because nilva works against it.

[M302_Imola]

oh sorry are his symptoms already gone and are just coming back because of estrogen rebound?

Could run a pct like you said then without the letro. you could throw in adex aswell but you would have to run it at a hight dose because nilva works against it.

He is off cycle (has been for about a month now) and yeah it's estrogen rebound. He didn't do proper PCT after a test cycle awhile ago then threw superdrol into the mix. Needless to say a month after the cycle his nips started getting sensitive so he got on some letro and the problem went away. So he stopped taking the letro and the sensitive nips came back. On top of that he is pretty shut down so I think proper PCT is in order as well as getting rid of this beginning stage gyno. So should the nolva be ran along side letro, or should letro be ran to start followed by nolva?

[Kratos]

aromasin , kills the enzyme...no rebound
I think it's good to include in pct or following letro or arimidex protocol.

[fanatic]

Yeah I didn't even think to tell him to taper off on the letro. Although I only had him running a small dose .30 mg ED. If I get him to taper down his letro dosage after the gyno is gone can he get away from the rebound without the nolva? He doesn't have any nolva but I could get some for him it needed. Thanks for your help.

I would start-off with Nolva (Maybe 75 mgs/ days 1-3; 50 mgs/ days 4-7; 25 mgs/day weeks 2-3) and see how that works. It usually does the trick for any estrogen issues I have... even post PCT.

[Kratos]

I would start-off with Nolva (Maybe 75 mgs/ days 1-3; 50 mgs/ days 4-7; 25 mgs/day weeks 2-3) and see how that works. It usually does the trick for any estrogen issues I have... even post PCT.

75mg of nolva? that's kwazy dog...no need to go over 20.

[M302_Imola]

aromasin , kills the enzyme...no rebound
I think it's good to include in pct or following letro or arimidex protocol.

kills or inhibits the aromatase enzyme? I was under the impression that aromasin has very similar properties as letro.

[M302_Imola]

I would start-off with Nolva (Maybe 75 mgs/ days 1-3; 50 mgs/ days 4-7; 25 mgs/day weeks 2-3) and see how that works. It usually does the trick for any estrogen issues I have... even post PCT.

75mg seems excessive. I personally have never gone over 40mg.

[Kratos]

kills or inhibits the aromatase enzyme? I was under the impression that aromasin has very similar properties as letro.

arimidex and letro inhibit
aromasin binds irrevesibly
hence the name suicidal inhibitor

[M302_Imola]

arimidex and letro inhibit
aromasin binds irrevesibly
hence the name suicidal inhibitor

I see...good info to know, thanks for setting me straight!

[M302_Imola]

for dosage and duration of nolva and letro to cure my buddies problem (seeing that these are the 2 compounds he has).

[Kratos]

for dosage and duration of nolva and letro to cure my buddies problem (seeing that these are the 2 compounds he has).

do what post #10 says
taper up to 2.5mg then taper down and follow with nolva for 3 weeks or more to avoid rebound, with the exception no need to start at 40 mg as estrogen levels will be nil coming off of letro. Start at 20 for the first 2 or three weeks then down to ten for a week or so.

[M302_Imola]

do what post #10 says
taper up to 2.5mg then taper down and follow with nolva for 3 weeks or more to avoid rebound, with the exception no need to start at 40 mg as estrogen levels will be nil coming off of letro. Start at 20 for the first 2 or three weeks then down to ten for a week or so.

thanks bro, you have been most helpful

[Ashop]

I have a friend that ran a Test E 10 week cycle followed by a 3 week cycle of the original superdrol and no matter how much I pleaded with him to do a proper PCT, he refused. He got some tribulus and thought it would be sufficient even though I warned him. Well needless to say he has been having some itchy/sensitive nipples (gyno). I told him to get some letro, so he did and the problem went away, but since he has stopped taking the letro the problem came back. I told him that it was “estrogen rebound” and explained the little knowledge I know on the subject. I also told him that this all could have been avoided with a proper PCT. My question is what is the best way for him to fight off this “estrogen rebound”? I have never ran into this personally so I am at a lost what to tell him.

if he's no longer on cycle I would have him use some NOLVA at 40mg per week until symptoms subside.

[fanatic]

75mg of nolva? that's kwazy dog...no need to go over 20.

You're probably right, bro... I've actually used this protocol in a similar situation, though, with good results. I disagree with 20mgs/day being the cap, though... 25-50mgs/day would be great until the sides start to subside. IMO