Start Letro/Caber From the very Beginning?

**VR4** · 11-11-2008, 06:10 PM

cycle:
week 1-4: 30mg dbol /day
week 1-10: 500mg npp
week 1-11: 200mg prop

I bought letro and caber for this cycle.
Do I need to start them both from the very beginning?

**The Deuce** · 11-11-2008, 06:25 PM

I wouldn't use the letro from the beginning myself... but that is just from personal experiences.. I HATE LETRO !!! Question for ya Bub... why the DBOL ??? And that is definitely a LOW dose of TEST... Just running it as a replacement of your own natural TEST?? I would definitely run the Caber from the beginning ... .25 mg twice per week...

Yah this cycle just confuses the H E double hockey sticks out of me....

What's Your PCT??

And geez..... I would so switch that and run 500 mgs of Test and 200 mgs of NPP ... understandably so that that is a low dose of the NPP moreover probably just joint lube at that point.

The DBOL just totally throws me off

but to each their own...

**LATS60** · 11-11-2008, 06:43 PM

Agree with deuce, no point, low dose adex EOD or better still aromasin .
Wouldn't go near the other two certainly not on that cycle or unless absolutely neccessary.

**WARMachine** · 11-11-2008, 07:09 PM

Agreed ^^^

Whats the PCT look like?

**VR4** · 11-11-2008, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by LATS60

Agree with deuce, no point, low dose adex EOD or better still aromasin .
Wouldn't go near the other two certainly not on that cycle or unless absolutely neccessary.

adex is for estrogen, not progesterone.

**VR4** · 11-11-2008, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by war4BTT

Agreed ^^^

Whats the PCT look like?

anything I want. I have everything.

probably nolva+proviron and some clomid also going to use HCG .

**VR4** · 11-11-2008, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by The Deuce

I wouldn't use the letro from the beginning myself... but that is just from personal experiences.. I HATE LETRO !!! Question for ya Bub... why the DBOL ??? And that is definitely a LOW dose of TEST... Just running it as a replacement of your own natural TEST?? I would definitely run the Caber from the beginning ... .25 mg twice per week...

Yah this cycle just confuses the H E double hockey sticks out of me....

What's Your PCT??

And geez..... I would so switch that and run 500 mgs of Test and 200 mgs of NPP ... understandably so that that is a low dose of the NPP moreover probably just joint lube at that point.

The DBOL just totally throws me off

but to each their own...

no, i want to make gains with deca , not test.

**WARMachine** · 11-11-2008, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by VR4

adex is for estrogen, not progesterone.

Always have Letro just in case, but if you control the estrogen in your system from the beginning of your cycle, progesterone sides will not be a issue.

**WARMachine** · 11-11-2008, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by VR4

no, i want to make gains with deca, not test.

Why? J/C?

**The Deuce** · 11-11-2008, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by VR4

no, i want to make gains with deca, not test.

Yah I guess I can understand that...

Not that often you hear of someone doing that but as long as you know what you are doing I guess there won't be an issue right?? I just hope I don't see a thread saying "HELP GUYS PLEASE MY SH!T AINT WORKING" I mean I don't foresee that happening just err on the side of caution my friend and make sure you have everything imaginable to combat any sides that you may experience.

**VR4** · 11-12-2008, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by war4BTT

Always have Letro just in case, but if you control the estrogen in your system from the beginning of your cycle, progesterone sides will not be a issue.

where did you get this from? I have never heard this before.
Im just curious...

**WARMachine** · 11-12-2008, 12:33 AM

Many AAS's convert to estrogen via the aromatization process. Estrogen spikes after a cycle. High levels of estrogen leads to gyno, water retention, fat storage etc. Estrogen plays a key role in progesterone related gyno. We either block its receptors with SERMS or reduce its production with AIs. We watch estrogen levels during a cycle and in PCT. Lowering estrogen too much will mess up your blood lipids. Letting it get out of control will cause sides like gyno, water retention etc...

Its not so much progesterone that we watch, which is actually a healthy hormone, but progestins which may act upon its receptors. Progestins, like Tren or Deca (nor-9's), may act on its receptor or lower progesterone in the blood. Gyno and lactating are more common side effects. Some people use progesterone receptor blockers to combat this, or a prolactin production inhibitor.