Questions on Deca and Winny

**SunDownPoint** · 11-12-2008, 06:10 PM

Hi, I'm new on the forums and have never tried AAS, although I am very familiar to the world of training and bodybuilding. I have past experience as a personal trainer but never got into the steroid side of training. I have recently taken a liking for fighting sports and would like to do another 1-2 months of bodybuilding and then switch over to mixed martial arts.

From what I have read deca seems to be what best suits my needs to add some lean mass and strength before switching to mma, and when I will finish a short cycle of deca, winny looks like the better alternative to help obtain some good training goals for the sport.

Questions:

What would be a good slightly less than average dose for both steroids , as I do not plan for an extreme increase I am already in good shape and eat well?

It seems winny has to be taken every day so I opted for pill form to keep from having too many ugly pricks all over my skin. Though, deca needs to be taken less often, at the amount given above how often should I take it?

Where can I find a price chart of each steroid so I don't get ripped off by the seller that will be supplying me?

Lastly, with the amounts that will be recommened are there any precautions I need to take, as in anti-estrogen products, what will be the androgenic effects, i.e hair growth, deep voice, pimples?

I'm only asking these question to get a clear straight up answer becuase I have done alot of research but many things wern't 100% clear. Thank you very much ahead of time.

If anyone needs some information:
6"1
185lbs of lean muscle
Eat about 6 times a day with lots of cabrs and lean protein

**SunDownPoint** · 11-12-2008, 06:22 PM

Also if anyone has something better to suggest, or a more complex cycle, be my guest and suggest. It also seems it's better to use deca with a different steroid at the same time, will winny be good for this or should I try something else like test?

**Big** · 11-12-2008, 07:42 PM

Welcome.
No price discussions here, and you really should take some time to read the educational threads and info on starter cycles.
I wouldn't run just a deca and winny cycle if you paid me.

**SunDownPoint** · 11-13-2008, 12:11 PM

I would have appreciated some more explaination...

**Kratos** · 11-13-2008, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Big;429****

Welcome.
No price discussions here, and you really should take some time to read the educational threads and info on starter cycles.
I wouldn't run just a deca and winny cycle if you paid me.

not if I paid you...Idk, I can be bought

**redz** · 11-13-2008, 12:32 PM

Do a little searching deca will shut down your natty test production hard causing loss of labido and the dreaded deca dick. Test should really be the base of all cycles.

**SunDownPoint** · 11-13-2008, 12:58 PM

Alright I've just read a bunch of articles on it, again some are clear some other not so much. But anyway, Test Enan looks like a better start than Deca . Will winny fit well with Test?

Also, with proper PCT, will the Test cause deepening of voice? I was just wondering because it doesn't get talked alot about in the articles. I personally don't care, my voice is already deep, but I admire deep voices, so even deeper to me is great.

**Dukkit** · 11-13-2008, 01:01 PM

basically

any first steroid cycle should be just a Testosterone .

then you can see how your body responds, to the test, diet, training, etc.
you can see if your prone to sides.

plus for a first cycle you can get alot of gains out of just Test.

no need to run deca or winny

which are both decent compounds but have there plus's and minus's

and lets say that you dont want to run them for the first time without knowing how your body reacts to the base of just Test. cuz you may get some of the minus's and you wont like that.

**Dukkit** · 11-13-2008, 01:04 PM

i would run a deca cycle if you paid me

but no interest in winny

**SunDownPoint** · 11-13-2008, 01:18 PM

Yes well the deca or test (in this case I think I will go for test alone) would be used to finish off my body building, and then I will switch to a fighting sport where winny will be more apropriate.

Again, does test give a deepening of voice?

**Dukkit** · 11-13-2008, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by SunDownPoint

Yes well the deca or test (in this case I think I will go for test alone) would be used to finish off my body building, and then I will switch to a fighting sport where winny will be more apropriate.

Again, does test give a deepening of voice?

negative

not on any measurable scale at least

**SunDownPoint** · 11-13-2008, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw

negative

not on any measurable scale at least

Just like that which ones will?

**Dukkit** · 11-13-2008, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by SunDownPoint

Just like that which ones will?

none.. lol..
steroids dont affect your voice box bro

its an old wives tale

**SunDownPoint** · 11-13-2008, 02:00 PM

haha okay thanks.

**Big** · 11-13-2008, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by SunDownPoint

Again, does test give a deepening of voice?

ask Mike Tyson.

**Mulciber** · 11-13-2008, 01:39 PM

not unless your a woman.. are you a woman?

**SunDownPoint** · 11-13-2008, 02:03 PM

When I look at all the site online though they all say steroid give anabolic effects (muscle building) and androgenic (deepening of voice). Is that because only androgenic steroid given deepening of voice or does this only happen to women?

**Pittbull78** · 11-13-2008, 02:20 PM

The deeping of voice is only if you are a women. Which I get the feeling you are not. Or you are a very large women at 6'1 189 pounds!

In any case. I'm not a fan of deca these days. Simply because most sources are ugls and that means high likelyhood of fakes.

Test is always king. Once you know how your body takes to endogenous testosterone you can then ascertain the right amount to control excess water retentions and the like which in your case you need to avoid.

I do think MMA fighters will benefit from winstrol , eq, and lets not forget t-bol. I have also thought about haladrol because it increases aggression. Again though, haladrol is harder to find - I haven't seen any in quite a while.

Good luck. Kick some ass!

**SunDownPoint** · 11-13-2008, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Pittbull78

The deeping of voice is only if you are a women. Which I get the feeling you are not. Or you are a very large women at 6'1 189 pounds!

In any case. I'm not a fan of deca these days. Simply because most sources are ugls and that means high likelyhood of fakes.

Test is always king. Once you know how your body takes to endogenous testosterone you can then ascertain the right amount to control excess water retentions and the like which in your case you need to avoid.

I do think MMA fighters will benefit from winstrol , eq, and lets not forget t-bol. I have also thought about haladrol because it increases aggression. Again though, haladrol is harder to find - I haven't seen any in quite a while.

Good luck. Kick some ass!