My first cycle

**Duma23** · 01-01-2009, 04:36 PM

Need advice that everything is ok

Week 1 - 12, Test E 500mg.
Week 12 - 16, Novaldex 40/40/20/20
Milk Thistle for liver protection.
Multivitamins + Minerals + Probiotic capsules.

Any use in using deca for 1st cycle or shall i just do test only.
What sideffects at 500mg am i likely to see?

**meetball** · 01-01-2009, 04:38 PM

stick with test e bro, plenty of time for more cycles, test e is a good strong 1st cycle...

i didnt get any sides personaly but each to there own on that note.,.,.

**Big** · 01-01-2009, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Dumachi

Need advice that everything is ok

Week 1 - 12, Test E 500mg.
Week 12 - 16, Novaldex 40/40/20/20
Milk Thistle for liver protection.
Multivitamins + Minerals + Probiotic capsules.

Any use in using deca for 1st cycle or shall i just do test only.
What sideffects at 500mg am i likely to see?

I would hope that's a typo, the way it's written you are starting pct during the last week of the cycle, pct should start at week 15 for that cycle.
If you're not running an oral I'm not sure why you would feel you need liver protection.
age?
height?
weight?
body fat%?
years training?

**meetball** · 01-01-2009, 04:44 PM

diednt clock that big... just saw test e and looked at the 12wks and read deca ,

also when not on orals is there much point in using milk thystle? i persoanly use this when on orals and drink a pint of cranberry juice each day, but never on jabs? /curious

**Duma23** · 01-01-2009, 04:57 PM

soz i ment 2 weeks after last dose of test. week 14 - 18 for the nolva

age 21
height 6ft 2
weight 13 stone
body fat 12%
years training? 3

dunno i was born with slightly small liver than most people so was gunna take to be on the safe side.

**lozza89** · 01-01-2009, 05:05 PM

13 stone at that height and over 10% bf dude beef up naturally for a while itl be easier to keep the gains after!

**Big** · 01-01-2009, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Dumachi

soz i ment 2 weeks after last dose of test. week 14 - 18 for the nolva

you wouldn't be starting pct at week 14 unless you're only taking a week off after last shot, pct would start week 15 as I said. 1-12 on cycle, 13 and 14 off, 15 start pct.
you're also listing pct for 5 weeks but showing dosages for 4.

**lovex** · 01-02-2009, 05:31 PM

nova alone is not good ...u must also go with clomid ...

**honda450** · 01-02-2009, 05:42 PM

What's the whole "stone" deal with weight?

I think this is the only thing I don't refer to and I haven't bothered lookin it up..

**Matt** · 01-02-2009, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by lozza89

13 stone at that height and over 10% bf dude beef up naturally for a while itl be easier to keep the gains after!

Doesnt mean he is dude im 5'10 and 15 stone= 13% lean muscle bro..

**Duma23** · 01-03-2009, 08:25 AM

age: 21
height: 186cm
weight: 87kg
body fat: 11%
years training: 3

Those were taken today,

My cycle plan(updated)
1 - 12 weeks - 500mg Test E
2 weeks break then pct
Nova: 20/20/20/20
Clomid: 50/50/50/50

Diet.

Breakfast,

Fortified with vitamins and minerals porriege
Apple
4 x Egg Whites

Snack,

Tuna Sandwitch with apple
Orange Squash

Lunch,

Bagueete with roast chicken & Turkey
Protein shake
Sausage roll

Snack,
2 x Chicken Brest
Orange Squash

Dinner,

Jacket potato
Pasta
Steak
Protein shake
Multivitamin + mineral tab

Before Bed,

Fresh vegatable soup
Milk

**xo3et** · 01-03-2009, 08:36 AM

too many protein shakes dude and that diet sucks IMO. Id never consider doing a cycle eating that...

Tuna, Egg whites, Chicken and fish are all missing?

whats the total, Calories, Fats and Protein?

**muhammad1185** · 01-03-2009, 09:26 AM

as everyones already advised you, the only possible advice i can give is LISTEN TO IT...

**Duma23** · 01-03-2009, 09:38 AM

i have listened to them and included clomid as they said + 2 weeks before pct, i dont plan to do for a few months yet im getting ready. has any1 got any recommendations for a diet please.

**Duma23** · 01-03-2009, 09:52 AM

My experience is limited to say the least. Ive gotten most the info ive put threw researching multiple websites and forums.

**xo3et** · 01-03-2009, 09:54 AM

Dumachi,

Go diet section dude, But your asking about diet yet your planning to do a cycle?

Not having a decent diet in place means your still have room for natural gains instead of jumping on the juice now!!

**Duma23** · 01-03-2009, 09:59 AM

thanks for the info mate and ill take ure advice and stick to natural with a good diet to see what happens.

**coolxten** · 01-03-2009, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Dumachi

Need advice that everything is ok

Week 1 - 12, Test E 500mg.
Week 12 - 16, Novaldex 40/40/20/20
Milk Thistle for liver protection.
Multivitamins + Minerals + Probiotic capsules.

Any use in using deca for 1st cycle or shall i just do test only.
What sideffects at 500mg am i likely to see?

I'm super new......When you say "Week 1 - 12, Test E 500mg" does that mean every week you use 500mg of Test E for 12 weeks? Does that mean you inject yourself 5 times using 100mg vials? I was confused about this too when I was reading the articles.....I have no sense of how much "mg" is...Can someone kindly explain?

thanks

**Immortal Soldier** · 01-03-2009, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Big

you wouldn't be starting pct at week 14 unless you're only taking a week off after last shot, pct would start week 15 as I said. 1-12 on cycle, 13 and 14 off, 15 start pct.
you're also listing pct for 5 weeks but showing dosages for 4.

Is Nolva enough for PCT for a test e only cycle or would you include Clomid as well?

**Big** · 01-03-2009, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Immortal Soldier

Is Nolva enough for PCT for a test e only cycle or would you include Clomid as well?

I like nolva/clomid/aromasin for pct after any cycle, and if there is any testicular atrophy I like HCG during the cycle after atrophy appears at a dosage of 500iu e5d.

**Big** · 01-03-2009, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by coolxten

I'm super new......When you say "Week 1 - 12, Test E 500mg" does that mean every week you use 500mg of Test E for 12 weeks? Does that mean you inject yourself 5 times using 100mg vials? I was confused about this too when I was reading the articles.....I have no sense of how much "mg" is...Can someone kindly explain?

thanks

Test e has what is called a "long ester" and can be shot twice a week, some would even say once a week but I prefer twice for typical cycle dosages.
There are some great educational threads at the top of each section, take some time to read them, then start your own thread with any questions that remain.