letro and novlva at the same time

**sitries** · 01-17-2009, 05:40 AM

doesw it hurt to take these at the same time?? iv got slight gyno in 1 nipple. im on test and deca and i wasnt taking an AI or serm for the 1st 5weeks. 1nce i saw signs of gyno i started the nolvadex . the pain has now subsided but the tissue is still slightly hard underneath. should i jump on the letro now . iv been trying to avoid the letro to be honest due to it killing sex drive and gains!! but i dont want gyno.

**peachfuzz** · 01-17-2009, 02:15 PM

save it.

it may help with cholesterol but if esstrogen is suppressed up to 98% then what is it going to be blocking?

your gonna need it for the estro rebound.

**MMArmour** · 01-17-2009, 02:40 PM

go to the education threads and read the gyno post. has alot of info youre going to need. all of which backs up what peachfuzz just said. nolva is useless when used along side letro for the reason he named.

**Mammon** · 01-17-2009, 02:43 PM

hes already on the nolvadex .. wanting to know if he should add letro.not the other way around. think you guys have it backwards.. anyways nolvadex does reduce letro plasma levela by about 38%.
at what dose are you running the nolvadex

**DS21** · 01-17-2009, 02:53 PM

I do believe they have it backwards. I will always use an AI on all cycles when test is involved. Ecspecially test and deca ! If it was me, I would stop using Nolva and start on letro at .25mg eod or e3d untill your cycle is over. You are obviously gyno prone, like me, and this works for me everytime.

**sitries** · 01-17-2009, 07:05 PM

yeah they did have it backwards. thanks for the info though.

so i should stop the nolvadex and get onto the letro instead. ok, the pills are 2.5mg. how do you split them up to such a small amount of 0.25. i suppose i could crush it into powder and just take a bit>>>???

at 0.25mg will the letro **** will my sex drive?? or my gains??

also, will it reverse the hard tissue that has formed over the last 2weeks. like i say, the pain has gone, but the hard tissue remains. both nipples do look generally a bit puffy too.

**Mammon** · 01-17-2009, 07:10 PM

personally id stay on the nolvadex .. its gonna take time for the letro to reach therapeutic blood levels.. right now your estrogen levels are elevated apparently and by taking the nolvadex you are keeping it from binding to the receptors and causing more of a problem.. i would start an AI to to limit further conversion of test to estrogen but i would not stop the nolvadex at this point

**sitries** · 01-17-2009, 07:12 PM

yeah thats def a good call mate. il stay on the nolvadex to overlap with the letro. and then fade out the nolva. to be honest i thought the nolva would of cleared up the gyno by now. iv had gyno before - small lump - and nolva made it dissapear within 2weeks

**Mammon** · 01-17-2009, 07:14 PM

what dose are you using

**DS21** · 01-17-2009, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Mammon

personally id stay on the nolvadex.. its gonna take time for the letro to reach therapeutic blood levels.. right now your estrogen levels are elevated apparently and by taking the nolvadex you are keeping it from binding to the receptors and causing more of a problem.. i would start an AI to to limit further conversion of test to estrogen but i would not stop the nolvadex at this point

My only concern with this is nolva and deca , or any 19nor, don't mix well. I'm suprised the nolva helped. It is said to make it worse when used with 19nor? But if it is working, I would stay on nolva and add an AI, as you stated.

I've always believe nolva is for pct, and AI's are something I use during cycle and pct?

**sitries** · 01-18-2009, 09:16 AM

im using 500 test, 400mg deca , and 20mg nolva. plus 1mg of finasteride for hairloss although i have stopped taking it since i got the gyno as i know it can increase estrogen!