im new 2 steroids man, HELP

***T-MOS*** · 02-11-2009, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by jimmytraining

i can get unlimited amounts of a-bombs deca and sus, so could u guys rite me a cycle and tell me how much muscle i would likely gain in 10 weeks off this

are you willing to do this correctly and learn to eat first

or no matter what we say you are gonna jump into steroids ???

How much muscle DOES NOT depend on the steroids !! Please get that !!

It depends on how you eat and workout PERIOD !!!!! the steroids HELP but they DO NOT do all the work for you. Diet is 88.769 % of your gains

FIRST CYCLE should stick to a SINGLE ester TEST, not a multi ester like Sust.
YOU also need the PCT BEFORE you ever start

**Big** · 02-11-2009, 02:43 PM

your responses seem to indicate that you just don't care about the problems and long-term sides you may be causing yourself. will you post pics so we can at least see what kind of base you are working with?

**jimmytraining** · 02-11-2009, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by T-MOS

you don't need steroids at your age to bulk up.

You need to eat 6-8 quality meals each day, one every 2-3 hours

you will grow like a weed on your NATURAL hormone levels at your age.

No need to shut down your already HIGH HPTA just to spend money on sticking more hormones in you

could u please just rite me a course out

***T-MOS*** · 02-11-2009, 02:45 PM

If you do not know how to eat

IF you do not understand PCT and have it, Then

YOU WILL NOT KEEP MOST OF YOUR GAINS, so you will be wasting all of it and risking damage to your body!

**jimmytraining** · 02-11-2009, 02:45 PM

guys thanx for the help

**SampsonandDelilah** · 02-11-2009, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by T-MOS

you don't need steroids at your age to bulk up.

You need to eat 6-8 quality meals each day, one every 2-3 hours

you will grow like a weed on your NATURAL hormone levels at your age.

No need to shut down your already HIGH HPTA just to spend money on sticking more hormones in you

99% chance he does it anyway! Stick to compound...non of which you have...Test E or Test C...you could make Sust work....if you read how to inject it properly. Just make sure you read up on what compunds you decide to take, spend the time going through the profiles and old threads, and most importantly...learn about AI's/SERM's so, you dont do permanent damage and grow a pair of boobs.

good luck

**chuckt12345** · 02-11-2009, 02:46 PM

Weeks 1-12 Sust @ 500mgs/week shot EOD

***T-MOS*** · 02-11-2009, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by jimmytraining

could u please just rite me a course out

YES, I COULD,

But you have yet to give me a good reason to do so

Here you go youngster

Weeks 1-12 Test Enanthate , 500mgs/week. 250mgs shot every 3.5 days

Week 15- 19 or 23- PCT consisting of Clomid, Nolvadex , HCG

GOOD LUCK

**jimmytraining** · 02-11-2009, 02:47 PM

8am- banana. egg whites, porride
10am- weight gain shake
12pm-tuna, pasta,
2pm- weight gain shake
4pm- chicken, rice
5pm- peanutbutter sandwich (go the gym)
6pm- peanutbutter sandwich, protein shake return from gym)
8pm- tuna, pasta, banana
11pm- protein shake

this is my diet guys, what could i add 2 it

**jimmytraining** · 02-11-2009, 02:49 PM

im listening 2 all ur advice guys, im sure use have made mistakes aswel when use frst started and didnt undersand some stuff, jus after help

***T-MOS*** · 02-11-2009, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by jimmytraining

8am- banana. egg whites, porride
10am- weight gain shake ( EAT REAL FOOD HERE)
12pm-tuna, pasta,
2pm- weight gain shake (AGAIN, EAT REAL FOOD HERE)
4pm- chicken, rice
5pm- peanutbutter sandwich (go the gym)
6pm- peanutbutter sandwich, protein shake return from gym)
8pm- tuna, pasta, banana
11pm- protein shake (ONCE AGAIN REAL FOOD HERE)

this is my diet guys, what could i add 2 it

Yea, this sucks !!! My comments in bold red

Too many shakes, they are OK PWO but not 3-4 a day

**chuckt12345** · 02-11-2009, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by jimmytraining

im listening 2 all ur advice guys, im sure use have made mistakes aswel when use frst started and didnt undersand some stuff, jus after help

just stick to the sust,, at 500mg/wk and make sure you do a pct.

**jimmytraining** · 02-11-2009, 02:51 PM

another thing guys does having steroids and creatine and amino acids have any bad side effects if u have them 2gether

***T-MOS*** · 02-11-2009, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by jimmytraining

im listening 2 all ur advice guys, im sure use have made mistakes aswel when use frst started and didnt undersand some stuff, jus after help

Yes we made mistakes, but WE listened to the GOOD advice and learned and didn't keep going when we were told that it would be bet NOT TO.

oh well, you are young, you will live...

if you can't get Test E or Cyp, then just take the sust EOD but do the math on just doing 500mgs/week, you don't need anywhere near 750 mgs/week yet, its just a waste as your body will respond Very well to only 500 so don't waste the gear.

GOOD LUCK

**jimmytraining** · 02-11-2009, 02:53 PM

how long does it take until u start seeing the juice work aswel fellas, iv herd 2 weeks, i started the a-bombs on monday and im sure the workin already

**jimmytraining** · 02-11-2009, 02:55 PM

could u giv me a list of pcts aswel please guys and i will try and get my hands on them first thing in the morning

**chuckt12345** · 02-11-2009, 02:55 PM

those have already kicked in,, some of the short ester test in the sust has as well. youll prb get full kick around week 5 or 6. Since you already startd the pills no reason to stop, but dont run them but a few more weeks.
good luck.

**jimmytraining** · 02-11-2009, 02:58 PM

fanx for all these replys guys, does any1 no how much weight about i will put on after this course

**chuckt12345** · 02-11-2009, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by jimmytraining

could u giv me a list of pcts aswel please guys and i will try and get my hands on them first thing in the morning

nolvadex and clomid,, if you need you can get them at the top red banner on this page.

**Big** · 02-11-2009, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by jimmytraining

fanx for all these replys guys, does any1 no how much weight about i will put on after this course

how much you will put on, or how much you will keep? I'm expecting a drastic difference between those 2 figures.

**jimmytraining** · 02-11-2009, 03:07 PM

rite guys im off, fanx 4 all the advice, i will consider it all, il be bak on soon 2 tell how im gettin

**Big** · 02-11-2009, 03:15 PM

I love how you ignored every comment I've made in this thread.

**MMArmour** · 02-11-2009, 03:15 PM

dammit t mos! Haha he hella turned that on you.

100mgs of deca isnt shit.

Oh..and jimmytraining...

Youre a ****ing idiot.

***T-MOS*** · 02-11-2009, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Big

I love how you ignored every comment I've made in this thread.

don't feel bad Big, most of mine got ignored as well, even when I submitted and gave him his answers !!!

Can we please have a Newbie Roast soon ?!?!?!?!?

**Big** · 02-11-2009, 05:38 PM

ok sorry I'll put this back on track.

**BrunkerVic** · 02-11-2009, 05:55 PM

K stop taking a full ml of sust EOD.

Take 1/2ml (1/2 CC) of sustanon EOD, you average about 430ml/week. Good for a first cycle.

Deca should be doubled to 200ml/week shot once a week.

IMO just disregard the Abombs, for a first cycle, deca n test is good enough.

Get, at the very least, Nolvadex and clomid for your post cycle.

Follow this and eat healthy, (for example switch to whole-weat pasta) you should make nice gains, ofc train like a monster.