is it a real big deal?

**Primo2xl** · 03-05-2009, 12:48 PM

Ok imma start my frist cycle. test e 500 a week for 12 weeks, and then 2 weeks after last shot start my pct of nolvadex and clomid. Now the question is do i start both my clomid and nolvadex at the same time? and how about the HCG , when do i start and stop?
what if i cant get my hands on the clomid, is it a real big deal?

**StritationOrBust** · 03-05-2009, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Primo2xl

Ok imma start my frist cycle. test e 500 a week for 12 weeks, and then 2 weeks after last shot start my pct of nolvadex and clomid. Now the question is do i start both my clomid and nolvadex at the same time? and how about the HCG , when do i start and stop?
what if i cant get my hands on the clomid, is it a real big deal?

Yes, its a HUGE deal. Don't start your cycle without clomid.

Whats your stats? age, wt, bodyfat and training experience?

**seriousmass** · 03-05-2009, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by StritationOrBust

Yes, its a HUGE deal. Don't start your cycle without clomid.

Whats your stats? age, wt, bodyfat and training experience?

I completely disagree. You will recover fine with just nolva for a Test only cycle.

Obviously having clomid is good to stack with nolva for a PCT... but it isn't necessary for such a simple cycle.

You can use the HCG sometimes during the cycle... but I'd run it during the time between your last shot and PCT...

So if it is a 12 week cycle, I'd inject the HCG weeks 13 - 14.

***D7M*** · 03-05-2009, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by seriousmass

You will recover fine with just nolva for a Test only cycle.

Obviously having clomid is good to stack with nolva for a PCT... but it isn't necessary for such a simple cycle.

You can use the HCG sometimes during the cycle... but I'd run it during the time between your last shot and PCT...

So if it is a 12 week cycle, I'd inject the HCG weeks 13 - 14.

I agree, well said.

**Primo2xl** · 03-05-2009, 01:18 PM

age24, 205lbs, 15% body fat, and working out hard for the last 4 or more years..

Originally Posted by Primo2xl

Ok imma start my frist cycle. test e 500 a week for 12 weeks, and then 2 weeks after last shot start my pct of nolvadex and clomid. Now the question is do i start both my clomid and nolvadex at the same time? and how about the HCG , when do i start and stop?
what if i cant get my hands on the clomid, is it a real big deal?

**GauchB** · 03-05-2009, 01:37 PM

yeah I don't think you will need clomid that I agree with, as well as HCG info good help seriousmass!!

**Primo2xl** · 03-05-2009, 02:05 PM

Thats whats up.. thanks for the help and the good info. How about the shots, how do i take them? do i just pick a day out the week and do it the same time the next week?

***RAGE*** · 03-05-2009, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Primo2xl

Thats whats up.. thanks for the help and the good info. How about the shots, how do i take them? do i just pick a day out the week and do it the same time the next week?

dude did you not plan this out yet...

if you are doing 500mg a week you need to brake it up 250mg two time a week

bump for stats

**Primo2xl** · 03-05-2009, 02:30 PM

well yeah i been planning this out for some time now. i havent started and probly wont for like another two to three weeks. by Me just asking and getting awnsers back is a way to get some knowledge about what im gonna do, and how to do it. thats why i asked, and your reply helped me out. I rather be on the safe side and have a prity good idea of what im doing then not. if i dont feel like i know enoff i wont take anything. i love myself and my body first, b4 i put something into it that can dameg or hurt me.

ok so 250mg a week for the test e for 12 weeks. how about when i start the hcg on the 13th - 14th week how much and how much with the nolvadex to?

Like they used to say in school. if u dont know something or dont understand just ask?
and if u know something that i dont, then just think of your self as the teacher.

**lovex** · 03-05-2009, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by seriousmass

I completely disagree. You will recover fine with just nolva for a Test only cycle.

Obviously having clomid is good to stack with nolva for a PCT... but it isn't necessary for such a simple cycle.

You can use the HCG sometimes during the cycle... but I'd run it during the time between your last shot and PCT...

So if it is a 12 week cycle, I'd inject the HCG weeks 13 - 14.

I personally Say clomid is necessary...even for simple cycle as test e is enough to HPTA shut down....the better PCT is the faster u recovery.....

Nova/clomid is necessary....
HCG will great and very help

**Primo2xl** · 03-05-2009, 05:24 PM

well im gonna keep trying to get the clomid

**RuhlFreak55** · 03-05-2009, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Primo2xl

well im gonna keep trying to get the clomid

not like it's hard...if you can't find pharma grade the research chem places are just as good in most cases...

**Primo2xl** · 03-05-2009, 05:30 PM

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