winstrol only cycle

**matt9** · 03-12-2009, 06:58 AM

first of all I know that in most all cases, you want to run winni with test, but I'm just dieting for a show in may and wanted to come in harder and maybe leaner. I'm on the dave palumbo diet which is a high protein and moderate fat diet. No carbs except maybe trace carbs... (20-40g) a day. I'm not looking to get bigger for the show, I just want to be hard and I dont want anyone to notice that I'm on something. I was thinking something like...
winni: 30/30/40/40
nolva: 30/20/20/10

***T-MOS*** · 03-12-2009, 07:01 AM

bad idea

**oak2429** · 03-12-2009, 11:21 AM

just curious but y

**matt9** · 03-12-2009, 11:27 AM

im on the thread t mos... im listening

***T-MOS*** · 03-12-2009, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by oak2429

just curious but y

Well if you do a search you will know why. but

Winny by itself is suppressive, meaning it WILL shut off your natural production of testosterone !!! That is a BAD thing seeing as how TEST is what pretty much makes men men !! Thats where we get our energy from, our libido, sex drive, erections, just to name a few things

SO shutting down your natty test without supplementing it is not a good idea even for contest prep

ALso, winny drys you out giving you that hard look which is FINE if your bodyfat is BELOW 10%....anything above that and you will really not notice the benefits of winny. You may still get energy and strength, but it WILL NOT cut fat !!!

The thing you need to understand is when we say DIET, we REALLY REALLY mean DIET dictates your gains.

TEST will give you strength, lean you out, build muscle, IF and ONLY IF your diet and training are correct for your goals. Steroids are NOT magic !! they HELP, they dont do it on their own !!

You can bulk or cut on almost any steroid as long as you are eating correct and training correct !!

so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to take any steroid that is gonna shut you down without adding extra test !!

***T-MOS*** · 03-12-2009, 11:31 AM

so matt, I would do a test cycle . you get big from eating big and training heavy. you get lean from cutting diet and different training with lots of cardio

your PCT needs a little work too, i like Swifto's PCT thread here

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=349581

Hope this helps !!

**matt9** · 03-12-2009, 11:38 AM

ok... that makes sense.. and i sort of knew that. I am trying to get ready for a show in 8 weeks. I am at 191 lbs and prolly 13% bf. I was at like 16% bf 5 weeks ago and at 201 lbs. I am on a protein fat diet. NO CARBS. Its the dave palumbo show diet. I need to get down to 165lbs for the show and im going to try my hardest. I've just upped my cardio to 90 mins a day.
my diet looks like this:
meal 1: 44 g protein shake and tablespoon of natty peanut butter
meal 2: 4-5 whole ***** 3 eggs and 2 whites
meal 3: 5-7 oz chicken with 15 gr protein shake and some almonds
meal 4: 44 g protein shake with tablespoon peanutbutter
meal 5: 7-8 oz filet steak and salad
meal 6: 44g protein shake with tablespoon peanutbutter

supplements:
glucosamine 2x day
fish oil 2x day
multi vitamin once a day
vitamin b complex once a day
fiber supp

is there anything i can do at this point?

***T-MOS*** · 03-12-2009, 11:42 AM

8 weeks isn't much time to start a steroid cylce. Narkissos is the contest guru. You might want to PM him and see what he thinks.

**matt9** · 03-12-2009, 11:42 AM

total im getting 270-300 g protein a day

**RuhlFreak55** · 03-12-2009, 12:15 PM

i say put test in....i know alot of people don't like putting it in contest prep....but by the same token there are alot that keep it in all the way through......this isn't the place to get a whole lot of help in that dept though, not alot of competitors here....

winni by itself....terrible idea.....if you really don't want test for the show then run prop and drop it a week or two out