Cycle Advice

**Blimbybrown** · 03-17-2009, 08:24 AM

Ok, I guess it is time that I approached this the way I should have from the beginning and ask for advice on my 2nd cycle on this forum. First I will give my current Stats. I am Male, 40, 5'9 190lbs with 149lbs lbm. (22% body fat) Right now I eat 2600- 3000 calories a day and burn 3500 and 4000 per day (both numbers depend on my activity level that day) . My caloric breakdown is as follows: 50% Carb, 30% Protein, and 20% fat... My diet is completely dialed in (as far as what I consume) as I weigh everything. I work out lifting for about hour and 15min everyday from Monday to Friday with an additional 1.5 hrs of cardio each day (I bike to the gym).

I recently completed a cycle of Sustanon 250 (1mil) and EQ (1mil) every third day as well as Winny(oral) 50 aach day. I stayed on this cycle for only 4 weeks with no side effects and increased my lean muscle mass from 132 to 151 in that short time and lost only fat. ( I weighed the same as I do now when I started the cycle. For me these where very impressive results ) I worked out for 4 months previous to the cycle and only achieved about 5 lbs lean muscle mass that I was able to maintain through my cardio phase.

I ordered a second cycle from a friend which completely got tore apart on here and I am very grateful for all the feedback I got on here and feel as though you guys have helped my avert a real disaster. So, Thanks. I am going to list the compounds that I have available right now, however, I know all of these are not recommended for me. I am just looking to see what I can salvage and what I need to add and drop. I already know the Tren is a no no, but i am just curious as to why. I would also like to know the amounts and schedule for the things I should be taking.

WEEKS 1- 6: Winstrol 50mg Every Other Day
WEEKS 1- 6: Trenabol
WEEKS 1- 6: Cytomel (T3)
WEEKS 1- 8: Testosterone Propionate 50mg Every Other Day

WEEKS 1- 8: Pregnyl ( hcg ) 300-500iu Every 4-5 days
WEEKS 1-10: Clenbuterol 80-100mcg 14 days ON, 14 days OFF
WEEKS 1-10: Anastozol 0.25mg Every day

WEEK 8: 20mg nolva/50mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 9: 20mg nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 10: 20mg nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day

If it is not too much to ask I would also like some explanation as to why some of this is bad ( not just get ripped apart for being an idiot) and any substitutions that you guys can suggest.

My Goal is to get down to 10% body fat with an end weight at about 180.

Thanks to everyone who takes the time to read this and gives me constructive advice and criticism

**Mammon** · 03-17-2009, 08:30 AM

winny needs to be ed. not eod.
tren , if not several solid cycles under your belt i wouldnt consider tren..what ester btw?
prop dose is low.
3 week pct is light.

**Mammon** · 03-17-2009, 08:34 AM

[I recently completed a cycle of Sustanon 250 (1mil) and EQ (1mil) every third day as well as Winny(oral) 50 aach day. I stayed on this cycle for only 4 weeks with no side effects and increased my lean muscle mass from 132 to 151 in that short time and lost only fat. ( I weighed the same as I do now when I started the cycle. For me these where very impressive results )

odds are that was due to diet and training.. 4 weeks of sust and eq would have had little effect. way to short

**XNathan** · 03-17-2009, 08:40 AM

Well to your cycle I have some recomendation.

AI drop it to EOD its enough just go ED in your PCT.
Winny run ED not EOD.
Prop can be run higher (75-100mg EOD) but if you are naturaly low in your age it will work for you.

T3 + clen is good combo for fat lose, but little hard on your circlulation system. I hope you have good heart and also BP in check. And try to stay with T3 low up to 75mcg max. better 50mcg.

Good luck!

**Blimbybrown** · 03-17-2009, 11:12 AM

So is this looking better? I am hearing A LOT that the Tren should be dropped and I am cool with that, however, I am just curious as to the reasoning... Would any other recommendations be advisable. I really appreciate the quick feedback you guys have given me so far

WEEKS 1- 6: Winstrol 50mg Every Day
WEEKS 1-6 : Tren ???
WEEKS 1- 6: Cytomel (T3) 50mg every day
WEEKS 1- 8: Testosterone Propionate 100mg Every Other Day

WEEKS 1- 8: Pregnyl ( hcg ) 300-500iu Every 5 days
WEEKS 1-10: Clenbuterol 80mcg 14 days ON, 14 days OFF
WEEKS 1-10: Anastozol 0.25mg Every other day

WEEK 8, 9 10, 11,12: 20mg nolva/50mg Clomid Every Day

**Blimbybrown** · 03-17-2009, 11:14 AM

Should I try to use the Clen & T3 Combo in lower amounts or should I just drop one. If so which one should I keep?

**Blimbybrown** · 03-17-2009, 03:48 PM

so does anyone have any feedback on why Tren is not going to be good for me

**GauchB** · 03-17-2009, 04:00 PM

why??? not soo much imo but I would not form people I have talked to tren is for more advanced useres why I don't know honestly. But winny is an ed thing. and for what your putting forth I would do this:

week 1-6 d-bol 40-50 mg ed
week 1-12 test your chioce 500 mg week
week 6-12 winny 50mg ed

don't know what you can get hands on for pct but atleast
1-10 hcg 300-600 iu e 4-5 days
12 100 clomid/ 40 nolva
13 60 clomid/ 30 nolva
14 30 clomid/ 30 nolva
15 20 clomid/ 20-30 nolva
all imo

**Blimbybrown** · 03-17-2009, 04:31 PM

Thanks GauchB ... I would still hope someone out there could give me a WHY on the Tren though... hopefully one I can understand...lol...

**Mammon** · 03-17-2009, 04:33 PM

what ester is the tren

**Blimbybrown** · 03-17-2009, 05:00 PM

I am checking on that now...will have an answer in about an hour

**Mammon** · 03-17-2009, 05:16 PM

how can you put together a cycle if you dont know the ester.. what if its enanthate . cant run that 6 weeks.. need to know what your doing here.
tren is very strong. some possible nasty sides. need to know what to look for and how to combat them.. not sure your ready for anything much less tren.

**Blimbybrown** · 03-17-2009, 05:26 PM

Here is where i am at now.... Am i getting closer? I am still waiting on ester for Tren though

WEEKS 1-6: Winstrol (liquid) 50mg Every Day
WEEKS 1-6: Trenbolone 50mg Every Day
WEEKS 1-6: Cytomel (T3) 50mg every day
WEEKS 1-8: Testosterone Propionate 100mg Every Other Day

WEEKS 1-8: Pregnyl (hcg ) 300-500iu Every 5th Day
WEEKS 1-3: Clenbuterol 50mcg
WEEKS 6-8: Clenbuterol 50mcg
WEEKS 1-10: Anastozol 0.25mg every other day

WEEK 8, 9 10, 11,12: 20mg nolva/50mg Clomid Every Day

**Mammon** · 03-17-2009, 05:32 PM

with acetate its doable.little short but whatever. maybe hit the prop ed as well.. just dont think you need to run tren with your limited cycle experience.. but hey.. thats your call

**Blimbybrown** · 03-17-2009, 05:34 PM

I can drop the Tren ...

**Blimbybrown** · 03-17-2009, 05:35 PM

what is short... The cycle length? What would you recommend?

**Blimbybrown** · 03-17-2009, 05:36 PM

I think the fact that not one person has suggested I keep the Tren is a great indicator that is should be gone... should I substitute it with something else

**Mammon** · 03-17-2009, 05:41 PM

arg..lol
how about this..\

prop 150mg eod 1-10
winny 50mg ed 5-10
pct starts 3 days after last inj.

and whatever else you got there. t3,clen ,adex
doubt hcg will be necessary but you can run it. not going to hurt.

**Blimbybrown** · 03-17-2009, 05:43 PM

lol... Thanks man... you will not be the first to think I am a pain in the ass... I really really do appreciate your help... I will post my results when I am through.. Thanks again

**Mammon** · 03-17-2009, 05:51 PM

lol.. not a problem

**XNathan** · 03-18-2009, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Blimbybrown

Here is where i am at now.... Am i getting closer? I am still waiting on ester for Tren though

WEEKS 1-6: Winstrol (liquid) 50mg Every Day
WEEKS 1-6: Trenbolone 50mg Every Day
WEEKS 1-6: Cytomel (T3) 50mg every day
WEEKS 1-8: Testosterone Propionate 100mg Every Other Day

WEEKS 1-8: Pregnyl (hcg ) 300-500iu Every 5th Day
WEEKS 1-3: Clenbuterol 50mcg
WEEKS 6-8: Clenbuterol 50mcg
WEEKS 1-10: Anastozol 0.25mg every other day

WEEK 8, 9 10, 11,12: 20mg nolva/50mg Clomid Every Day

Sound good, but tren will affect your cardio (shortness of breath and cough). IMO you can go without tren (you can use masteron insteed). And Pregnyl keep at 250IU E5D.

Good luck with your goal!