Expert Advice Needed!

[gamemania]

I am aware that this may seem like a very redundant question especially to you seasoned users. However, i am yet to locate a thread that addresses all the issues that i am about to put out.

I am looking to start my first cycle, and i have done an enormous amount of research on all the possibilities of gear i could use. unfortunately the amount of contradictory information is greater than one would like and so i feel like the best way to propose this question is to provide you with my goals:

- i want MAINTAINABLE gains (more than willing to put the effort in terms of diet, training and PCT, but what gear provides you with the best chance of maintainable gains)

- in favour of my goal above, i am willing to sacrifice the prospect of huge gains i.e. id rather have 15 lbs i can largely maintain than 30lbs that i lose almost entirely.

- as someone starting a first cycle, what is the surest bet? i.e. propose a stack if you may...


i have narrowed my search down to a few candidates:

- equipoise
-test enanthate
- dbol
-deca -durabolin (despite its popularity, i have read too much advising against its use...hence i am torn...enlighten me someone?)
- parabolan

mind you, please take this from the perspective of a first time user, who will in the long run probably consider two or three more cycles. i am aware that a seasoned user will have tried all the above and then some more, a number of times.

[Big]

first cycles, for those who are ready to cycle, should be test only.

[Phate]

I am aware that this may seem like a very redundant question especially to you seasoned users. However, i am yet to locate a thread that addresses all the issues that i am about to put out.

I am looking to start my first cycle, and i have done an enormous amount of research on all the possibilities of gear i could use. unfortunately the amount of contradictory information is greater than one would like and so i feel like the best way to propose this question is to provide you with my goals:

- i want MAINTAINABLE gains (more than willing to put the effort in terms of diet, training and PCT, but what gear provides you with the best chance of maintainable gains)

- in favour of my goal above, i am willing to sacrifice the prospect of huge gains i.e. id rather have 15 lbs i can largely maintain than 30lbs that i lose almost entirely.
this will be determined by diet/pct/training ect....
- as someone starting a first cycle, what is the surest bet? i.e. propose a stack if you may...
test only or test with a kickstart

i have narrowed my search down to a few candidates:

- equipoise
-test enanthate
- dbol
-deca -durabolin (despite its popularity, i have read too much advising against its use...hence i am torn...enlighten me someone?)
- parabolan

mind you, please take this from the perspective of a first time user, who will in the long run probably consider two or three more cycles. i am aware that a seasoned user will have tried all the above and then some more, a number of times.

here is some info to read

TEST BEGINNER CYCLE INFO

here, i'll lay out some stuff for you,
first thing, you need to get your diet in check, here is some threads on cutting, lean bulking and pure bulking to give you some info, but you need to post your diet for critiqueing, your wasting your money otherwise

Diet

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=143553
http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/calories/calories.html

only when you have your diet down should you think about cycling, a beginner cycle should look like this

1-12 test e 500mg/week
1-4 dbol 40mg/day ( this is used to kickstart the cycle and is optional)

take your test injections 3.5 days apart, like monday morning and thursday evening

split your dbol up throughout the day, this will keep your blood levels stable, which means less sides and more gains

if you take the dbol, supplement with liv52 to help you liver cope with breaking down the dbol

btw, here are the profiles on the AS you will be using so read them and get to know the stuff your putting in your body

Test Enth
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199827

Dianabol
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199829

Next is your pct, which should begin two weeks after your last test injection and should be a phneedo's pct, whats that you ask? here it is

Pheendo's PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626

while your at it read this one as well for future cycles

Anthony Roberts PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758


Now for some other important stuff, you need to have some arimidex on hand in case you start getting water retention or gyno, so get some, in fact, read this thread 3x before you start your cycle as it will tell you....

All You Need To Know About Gyno

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

that should get you read for your cycle, best of luck

[T-MOS]

here is some info to read

TEST BEGINNER CYCLE INFO

here, i'll lay out some stuff for you,
first thing, you need to get your diet in check, here is some threads on cutting, lean bulking and pure bulking to give you some info, but you need to post your diet for critiqueing, your wasting your money otherwise

Diet

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=143553
http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/calories/calories.html

only when you have your diet down should you think about cycling, a beginner cycle should look like this

1-12 test e 500mg/week
1-4 dbol 40mg/day ( this is used to kickstart the cycle and is optional)

take your test injections 3.5 days apart, like monday morning and thursday evening

split your dbol up throughout the day, this will keep your blood levels stable, which means less sides and more gains

if you take the dbol, supplement with liv52 to help you liver cope with breaking down the dbol

btw, here are the profiles on the AS you will be using so read them and get to know the stuff your putting in your body

Test Enth
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199827

Dianabol
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199829

Next is your pct, which should begin two weeks after your last test injection and should be a phneedo's pct, whats that you ask? here it is

Pheendo's PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626

while your at it read this one as well for future cycles

Anthony Roberts PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758


Now for some other important stuff, you need to have some arimidex on hand in case you start getting water retention or gyno, so get some, in fact, read this thread 3x before you start your cycle as it will tell you....

All You Need To Know About Gyno

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

that should get you read for your cycle, best of luck

I think maybe this should be its own thread and stickied

FIRST CYCLES START HERE !!!!

[Phate]

I think maybe this should be its own thread and stickied

FIRST CYCLES START HERE !!!!

it does have it's own thread, but it's in my database, here's the link if you want to use it

Test Beginner Cycle Guide
Written by Phate
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

[Karo]

I'm a novice like you. I am 8 weeks into my cycle. I have taken the info from this board and used it every step of the way. These guys are 100% accurate with what they're telling you. You'd be wise to take their advice.
The most important thing that i've learned so far is how to eat. Diet is such a HUGE part of the equation. All the juice and all the training in the world is worthless if you're not giving your body what it needs to grow. Learn how to eat, run a proper pct and keep up your training/diet post cycle and you'll be in a good position to keep most of your gains.

Karo

[gamemania]

thanks guys very helpful...legends u are!

[Ronnie Rowland]

I agree that testosterone is all one needs for a first cycle. 500 mgs of test enanthate is the sweet spot for first time users.

Proper training/nutrition and your genetic potential will determine the short term outcome. A properly performed Post Cycle Therapy combined once again with the proper training/diet and your genetic potential will determine your long term success.

Good luck!