**********Tren

**jab1234** · 04-07-2009, 07:28 PM

I'm wondering whats the best way to take this brand of tren . I'm planning on every 5 days, but I want to know if you would recommend a stack with anything else.

I kind of want to take it on its own, seeing how I've never taken Tren before, and I want to make sure the stuff is legit. If I stack, it won't be as clear.

I've got a bottle of Deca , but with both of these being very suppressive I didn't think that would be a good combo...

Also should I take anything while on my cycle and is anything recommended for PCT?

Thanks

Height: 5'10"
Weight: 185 lbs

FYI...I posted here before about a Deca only stack I was on (I know, I know it's horrible to do). I finished up about 5 weeks ago and gained about 12 lbs, and haven't lost any of it yet. Strength is still there but miss the pump already.

I received a lot of good advice, but was not able to follow through with it all due to lack of supply. I have no solid pct to speak of and have been taking a combo of ZMA, Novedex XT, and tribulus. My boys are still shrunk and my lady complains about my lack of sex drive (I used to nail her at least twice to 3 times a day), now she'd be lucky to get it a couple times a week.

Is what I'm taking going to get my boys back or do I need to try and find a source for something better? (Nolva, Clomid)

**IM708** · 04-07-2009, 07:31 PM

You MUST stack test with tren that's a start. You need some work on the cycle of yours.

**Mammon** · 04-07-2009, 07:32 PM

get some clomid and nolvadex and get yourself back on track.

then i recommend alot more research before you try again

***D7M*** · 04-07-2009, 07:33 PM

there is so much wrong with that.

Iron's right...gotta get some test with that.

you clearly need more research on AS. read all the info here:

Test beginner cycle info

**spywizard** · 04-07-2009, 07:36 PM

bet ya didn't know you can't name UGL in our forums..

**jab1234** · 04-07-2009, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by derek7m

there is so much wrong with that.

Iron's right...gotta get some test with that.

you clearly need more research on AS. read all the info here:

Test beginner cycle info

I checked out the sticky on the link but it doesn't explain why test should be stacked with a progestin like tren or deca . Just trying to understand the theory for this. Also how many mg/wk of test should be taken, assuming we are talking about test e.

Would 10 - 20 mg/day of Nolva be sufficient while on this cycle

**IM708** · 04-07-2009, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by jab1234

I checked out the sticky on the link but it doesn't explain why test should be stacked with a progestin like tren or deca . Just trying to understand the theory for this. Also how many mg/wk of test should be taken, assuming we are talking about test e.

Would 10 - 20 mg/day of Nolva be sufficient while on this cycle

Tren and deca shut you down HARD. So you will have no test production while on either of those two. BTW that pct won't cut it.

***D7M*** · 04-07-2009, 07:54 PM

how old are you? do you know your bf?

tren will supress your natural production of test. so, you will need an exogenous test source.

no, 10-20mg/ nolva would not be sufficient.

**jab1234** · 04-07-2009, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by ironmaiden708

Tren and deca shut you down HARD. So you will have no test production while on either of those two. BTW that pct won't cut it.

A little confusion here, you referred to the Nolva that I would take during my cycle as pct yet the acronym states that term is for after my cycle. So is the term not exclusive to just post cycle and can be used when talking about SERMS in general.

Just trying to make sure it's clear if you are stating that 10-20mg/day of Nolva while on my cycle was not sufficient. I wasn't referring to what I would need after my cycle.

thx

**jab1234** · 04-07-2009, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by derek7m

how old are you? do you know your bf?

tren will supress your natural production of test. so, you will need an exogenous test source.

no, 10-20mg/ nolva would not be sufficient.

I'm 29, juiced in my college days, but haven't touched anything until the Deca recently.

So having this exogenous test source in my body will allow my body to synthetically compensate for my lack of natural test that is being produced, but correct me if I'm wrong but once I discontinue the test, won't I still be shut down until some pct's can help me recover?

So is the test just acting as a bridge for the time I am not producing my own test? Obviously there are other benefits to the test, but I'm just wondering if I can take a low dosage that will supply sufficient test while on the tren.

**IM708** · 04-07-2009, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by jab1234

A little confusion here, you referred to the Nolva that I would take during my cycle as pct yet the acronym states that term is for after my cycle. So is the term not exclusive to just post cycle and can be used when talking about SERMS in general.

Just trying to make sure it's clear if you are stating that 10-20mg/day of Nolva while on my cycle was not sufficient. I wasn't referring to what I would need after my cycle.

thx

You don't take nolva during cycle. You take that afterwards...pct

***D7M*** · 04-07-2009, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by jab1234

I'm 29, juiced in my college days, but haven't touched anything until the Deca recently.

So having this exogenous test source in my body will allow my body to synthetically compensate for my lack of natural test that is being produced, but correct me if I'm wrong but once I discontinue the test, won't I still be shut down until some pct's can help me recover? Right. And that is the whole purpose of pct.

So is the test just acting as a bridge for the time I am not producing my own test? Obviously there are other benefits to the test, but I'm just wondering if I can take a low dosage that will supply sufficient test while on the tren .
I don't like the bridge analogy. But you could get a away with a low dose test. But, why would you want to?

In bold

again, do you know your approximate bf?

**jab1234** · 04-07-2009, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by ironmaiden708

You don't take nolva during cycle. You take that afterwards...

OK but here is a link straight from this site that recommends that dosage of Nolva while on a Cyp/Deca stack...?

http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle2.php

**jab1234** · 04-07-2009, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by derek7m

In bold

again, do you know your approximate bf?

I would consider low dosage of test because I have taken it in the past (Enanthate , Sust, Cyp) and i have always had bad sides with it...I'm sure tren will be similar, but I still want to give it a go (some friends swear by the stuff). Besides adding in test may potentially aggravate my sides even more.

Also I'm looking for moderate gains per cycle. I can't really be too noticeable and blow up and hold a lot of water. It just wouldn't go over well at work...I work in the chemical industry.

Sorry don't have my actual body fat...but I'm pretty lean and in shape...I'm no world class athlete though

If I had to take a wild guess I'd say ~12%

**IM708** · 04-07-2009, 08:16 PM

If you get nasty sides from test tren will be worse.

**jab1234** · 04-07-2009, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by ironmaiden708

If you get nasty sides from test tren will be worse.

the worst side for me is pityrosporum folliculitis...chest acne. What's the point of working out and taking gear if you can't even take off your shirt at the pool because of bumps on your chest...

I've had a derm check it out and gave me some Diflucan for it once I got done with the Deca ...so I think I may be able to get that under control but...

When I have taken test in the past I had some aggressive tendencies. Nothing that would have ever gotten me in trouble, but then again why take those risks.

I'm a little older and mature now, and think I could manage and compose myself more but it makes me hesitant to take any test...and yeah I read about tren being worse on sides. Heck it should be with how much more anabolic /androgenic it is than test