Once you use gear?

**CptAmericaX** · 04-09-2009, 07:38 PM

So once you do a cycle is it possible to ever get past a wall without using gear?
In theory when I get to my max using gear then through pct I loose maybe 5-6 pounds of gains after pct should I be able to gain that 5-6 pounds back naturally?

**CptAmericaX** · 04-09-2009, 08:34 PM

ehhh bump..

**CptAmericaX** · 04-09-2009, 10:55 PM

Re-bumb.... still nothing?

***T-MOS*** · 04-09-2009, 10:57 PM

yes, you should still be able to make gains naturally

all depends on diet, training , and rest

**CptAmericaX** · 04-09-2009, 11:03 PM

Im tracking that but i mean back to the point you were on gear, k for instance I have a buddy who last time we took our vacation....its code but anyway he was on a cycle of deca and Test cyp he did 5 week cycle then breaked and didn another 5 week yes before everyone attacks me for his stupidity I know he did it wrong I know he didnt educate himself before he cycled but Im not gona sit there and tell him how to do his shiet... anyway point being his bench was up to 315 before he finished pct, now this vacation he has done all natural begining of it he was barely repping 185, now his max is to 300, without gear will he be able to go past 315, granted this guy weighs 170

**Dobie-BOY** · 04-09-2009, 11:09 PM

There is a genetic point in which a person cannot grow any further naturally. If "your friend" has not out done his natural genetic capabilities he could still grow naturally.

**CptAmericaX** · 04-09-2009, 11:12 PM

word

**RipitFuel** · 04-10-2009, 05:53 AM

Cpt, not to steal the thread.. but i wonder how much gains people make on say.. bench? like u hever never ever touched gear.. say ur max is 225.. then u add gear.. what u think ur max would be then?